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My Take on Ann Coulter

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The past week or so I have seeded two opinion articles by Ann Coulter, needless to say these two articles have been to of my most commented on seeds. I will also wager to say about 75% of the comments on those articles are negative towards Ms. Coulter and those who agree with her. I will also say, that most comments received on these articles are about her and not the content of the article I have seeded, which really amazes me. Yes she is very controversial, and yes sometimes a little annoying, but she is allowed her opinion. I also feel sometimes there needs to be articles of all sorts to keep with the whole get smarter here persona of newsvine. That being said, Ms. Coulter has been known to go a little to far in her hatred of the left, which I don't necessarily agree with.

I have had some who question why I seed her opinion articles. The reason I seed them is because there are people on the newsvine who enjoy reading her article and maybe fewer who actually agree. I will admit she is a little extreme for my tastes but I do enjoy reading her opinion, and there has been more than once that I have agreed with her opinion. Now before you paint me as some "extremist righty", I also have been known to agree with a few left leaning people on occasion. So please, let's not go there.

There are plenty of reasons people come on newsvine, I do it to "get smarter" and to sometimes let out a little frustration about certain issues (I do this here because my wife get sick of hearing about it). My question to you is, if everyone was to write and seed articles from one side of the argument how would anyone "get smarter here"? I mean you should be thanking those of a different point of view for voicing their side of any given issue. I know sometimes it is hard, especially when something you read is so infuriating that you want puke. I have had plenty of spats with other viners about their opinion on certain issues, but I have also learned a lot too. Plus no matter who you are you have to admit there is way to much Bush bashing in the media these days and sometimes it nice to see the other side no matter how disgusting and evil they might be. As I have written before I do not always agree with Ms. Coulter and her opinions, especially ones talking of violence towards liberals. I also will keep seeding her opinion for myself and those who enjoy her writing.

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{"commentId":215659,"authorDomain":"theottoshow"}

Yahoo! has a message board for Ann's weekly columns. It is riddled with people who go there because they despise her and probably gets around six or seven thousand posts a week. Most of them that are critical of her do just what you point out - attack her personally and rarely ever bring up counterarguments against what she says.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:55 AM EDT
{"commentId":215670,"authorDomain":"abenton"}

Exactly, they cannot attack what she says most of the time, they call her a skinny blonde or talk about adams apples or what-not, which in the 3rd person view, she wins, she makes you resort to name calling and acting like 1yr olds.

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  • 10 votes
#1.1 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:02 AM EDT
{"commentId":215763,"authorDomain":"bigkoi"}

Ann Coulter resorts to name calling in most of her articles. It is not surprising that a lot of retorts to her are also name calling. She has lowered the bar.

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  • 18 votes
#1.2 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:54 AM EDT
{"commentId":215767,"authorDomain":"pberry"}

There is actually a lot of fact checking that goes on against her works. I wouldn't doubt if that is how the instances of her forgetting to cite the writtings of others were uncovered. It is unfortunate that she draws more than her fair share of ad hominem attacks. It is the path of the lazy...

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  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:56 AM EDT
{"commentId":216200,"authorDomain":"indecent"}
It is the path of the lazy...

The path of the lazy is plagiarism, which I seem to remember is something she's been in trouble for more than once.

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  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":216213,"authorDomain":"theottoshow"}

The difference between what Coulter does and what her critics do in response is that Coulter has a definitive, underlying point to her 'name-calling' and other hyperbolic tactics. The name-callers who respond to her don't - they are simply stating that they think she stinks. And her points are often not understood or intentionally ignored. The 'Jersey Girls' controversy is a great example. Her critics labeled it over and over again simply as an attack against 911 widows when her point was really about people who use personal tragedy to promote a political point of view and advocates and activists who exploit them, all of the while daring the opposition to criticize anything they say or do. And the funny thing about it is that Ann's critics stumbled head over heels right into it with the hysterical reactions and the diversion from her specific targets of four women to an intentional and generalized misrepresentation of all 911 widows.

Example: Ann says that she never has seen people enjoying their husbands deaths so much. Reaction: hysterical responses that avoid dealing with what she said but rather attacks her audacity for saying it. It's just possible she was making a valid point but the Jersey Girl defenders want to make sure that we don't talk about that, but instead talk about how vile and evil Coulter is for pointing it out.

The real reason (in my opinion) of why Coulter is despised so much is because she is tactically brilliant in her refusal and ability to not let the left define issues and steer debates into their own safety nets. She is one of the few on the right who do this successfully. Many people on the left have said far worse things, yet I'll bet donuts to dollars that these same people who pull their hair out over Ann's comments don't condemn the Ward Churchill's of the country for calling 911 victims "little Eichmann's" or the various professors who have brilliantly concluded that 911 victims deserved it or the DNC Chairman who declares that he hates Republicans etc. etc. etc.

Funny how much the left hates confrontational rhetoric and controversial hyperbole when someone on the right uses it against them...

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  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:30 PM EDT
{"commentId":216245,"authorDomain":"pberry"}

So is "pretending" that you sent anthrax to the NY Times "controversial hyperbole" and if so would the FBI accept that as an explanation?

Again, Ann can have all the opinions she wants, but the whole "these people need to die" talk, sorry "confrontational rhetoric", is getting out of hand.

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  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:51 PM EDT
{"commentId":216258,"authorDomain":"spacegoat"}

The OttO Show, I think you are seeing just what you want to see. Sure she gets backlash for her outrageous rhetoric, but she also gets picked apart by her opposition. Perhaps it happens so fast that you don't notice. Or maybe you watch her on Fox News, where the opposition isn't allowed to get a word in edgewise.

The answer to the 9/11 widdow criticism is of course they have every right and reason to turn the tragedy into a political agenda. If young Timmy gets run over by a drunk driver, Timmy's parents might have a political agenda to support drunk driver legislation.

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  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:58 PM EDT
{"commentId":216625,"authorDomain":"Nycam"}
her point was really about people who use personal tragedy to promote a political point of view and advocates and activists who exploit them, all of the while daring the opposition to criticize anything they say or do.

So according to this statement, Coulter is doing precisely what she condemns the "advocates and activists" for doing. Coulter is the person who wrote, and I'm not making this up, "I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much." How insensitive can you get? How soulless and unfeeling can a person be, especially when referring to "Godless Liberals"?

I don't care one way or the other about muckrakers, and it seems like both parties have their share. Be constructive in your criticism, whenever possible, people. We can set the bar and expectations higher ourselves, of need be.

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  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":216684,"authorDomain":"pberry"}

Here on Newsvine, being respectful is the first part of the Code of Honor. So, essentially we're one up on the professional pundits already.

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  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:22 AM EDT
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{"commentId":215669,"authorDomain":"pberry"}

Annoying? Methinks thou doth protest too little. She "jokes" about domestic terrorists blowing up the NY Times building. She "jokes" about poisoning a Supreme Court justice. She "jokes" about sending anthrax to the NY Times. If that is just a "little too far" I would hate to see what "too far" is.

If she just wants to be the Andrew "Dice" Clay of right-wing punditry, at least she could do it without trying to incite violence. Is that really too much to ask? She's welcome to call me a 'blame america first commie liberal', I'd just rather not have to worry about her followers coming after me with a noose. Literally.

I just don't find her shtick of vilification very mind opening. There are plenty of conservative pundits who make their points with data, historical facts, and logical thinking and don't find the need to resort to her low-brow tactics. But then, they are boring. No "red meat" to get the blood going. Yes, I understand that I play right into that by replying to this...but I will not sit by and let what she does be minimized to 'just kidding' or 'a view form the other side.'

I will give her credit for continually reminding me that freedom is hard.

America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free".
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  • 12 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:02 AM EDT
{"commentId":215682,"authorDomain":"ballew74"}

I truthfully don't think anyone would really resort to violence because of things she has said or written. But I have seen crazier things in the world lately so who knows.

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  • 7 votes
#2.1 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:10 AM EDT
{"commentId":215739,"authorDomain":"pberry"}

I suspect that would be very little consolation if it were to happen. It's not like death threats are uncommon these days...

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  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:35 AM EDT
{"commentId":215742,"authorDomain":"ballew74"}

Actually as I have said before Some on the left should be more concerned about someone screaming "Jihad" than anything Ms. Coulter writes. But thats just my 2 cents.

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  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:38 AM EDT
{"commentId":216293,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
Actually as I have said before Some on the left should be more concerned about someone screaming "Jihad" than anything Ms. Coulter writes. But thats just my 2 cents.

But isn't that exactly what she is doing Ballew? If she wants to be better than the jihadists, perhaps she needs to stop thinking and acting like a Christian version of their spiritual leadership.

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  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:16 PM EDT
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{"commentId":215761,"authorDomain":"pberry"}

So, it's not that we shouldn't be concerned about Ann, just more concerned with others. Yes, yes...a semantic nitpick. Apologies. I know, but I don't really think a good slogan is "Ann Coulter, she's not as bad as people who wage jihad against us!"

I do want to agree with you overall point, if I may try and summarize, that it would do us all good to have strong opinions, that are weakly held. That is, you are willing to be convinced that you are wrong if presented with a good case.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:51 AM EDT
{"commentId":215770,"authorDomain":"ballew74"}

I always come on the vine to learn as much as I can. I enjoy a lot of the articles and also like writing and seeding.

but I don't really think a good slogan is "Ann Coulter, she's not as bad as people who wage jihad against us!"

I also agree, not a very good slogan. although it may be true. Thank you for your comments i enjoyed the link.

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  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:57 AM EDT
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{"commentId":215813,"authorDomain":"ravikhalsa"}

"... Ann Coulter ... sometimes a little annoying ..."
"... Ms. Coulter has been known to go a little to far in her hatred of the left ..."
Looks to me like you are trying to understate just how personal and hateful Ann Coulter's writing really is.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":215827,"authorDomain":"ballew74"}

How am I trying to understate it. Yes it is offensive I will give you that. But she is no more offensive than a lot of authors, talk show hosts, or a lot other edgy people in the ENTERTAINMENT industry. You don't like what she says then don't read it.

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  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":215965,"authorDomain":"ravikhalsa"}

In my opinion, your understatement is self-evident. If Ann Coulter is entitled to her opinion, don't you think I am?

"... no more offensive than a lot of authors, talk show hosts, or a lot other edgy people in the ENTERTAINMENT industry. ..." What is your point?

"... You don't like what she says then don't read it. ..."
Do you think a person should have to like someone's writing to read it?

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    #4.2 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:05 PM EDT
    {"commentId":215987,"authorDomain":"ballew74"}

    Wow, take it easy I wasn't trying to upset you here. Now I never said you aren't entitled to your opinion.

    Do you think a person should have to like someone's writing to read it?

    Not really but you think if it pi$$ed you off that muchyou would, unless you like being upset.

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    • 2 votes
    #4.3 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:16 PM EDT
    {"commentId":216069,"authorDomain":"ravikhalsa"}

    Not upset. Just making observations.

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      #4.4 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:58 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":215894,"authorDomain":"spacegoat"}

      Despite the fact that Coulter is a Troll in more ways than one, it is good to see opposing views on Newsvine. Besides, how else will I reinforce my elitist sense of moral superiority?

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      • 12 votes
      Reply#5 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:15 PM EDT
      {"commentId":216143,"authorDomain":"vincentgrayson"}

      Before I "got the joke" as it were (as in, stopped taking anything she says seriously), I'd generally read her rants with my jaw hanging open thinking "She can't be @!$%#ing serious".

      It always seemed to me that the content of her rants gets ignored because of *HOW* she presents it.
      Just as we tend to ignore, or end up in flame wars with viners that would present their opinions (regardless of their validity) in the inflammitory manner that she does, we tend to ignore, or rant back (often in the same vitriolic way) at Ann.

      Her arguements may occasionally have sound logic to them, but I honestly don't think she has any desire to have a discourse of ideas, she *WANTS* to spread her opinions in ways that elicit that kind of reaction from the left, because it sells books, and it makes her lots of money.

      She may be smart, I don't honestly know, but one thing I know for sure is that her method of discourse does not encourage rational response, and is bound never to get it.

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      • 5 votes
      Reply#6 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:49 PM EDT
      {"commentId":216209,"authorDomain":"indecent"}

      How man times can we misspell a three letter word?? Let us count the ways!

      been to of my most commented
      a little to far in her hatred of the left
      way to much Bush bashing

      For the record, I don't actually care. I just found it amusing. I know someone will bother to yell at me for picking on a misspell, but again, I don't care. Have fun.

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      • 2 votes
      Reply#7 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:27 PM EDT
      {"commentId":216309,"authorDomain":"ballew74"}

      Thank you for being discreet. I am sorry about making these mistakes and will do better to make sure I don't make these same mistakes in the future.

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      • 1 vote
      #7.1 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:28 PM EDT
      {"commentId":217053,"authorDomain":"Nycam"}
      How man times

      indeed!

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      • 1 vote
      #7.2 - Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:33 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":216233,"authorDomain":"theottoshow"}

      One interesting thing about Ann Coulter (and I see it on this message board) is that so many conservatives are hesitant to admit that she is a good political pundit or that they secretly admire her. I was this way for years until I figured out what she is really about. And why do conservatives approach Coulter this way? Because the left is so adamant in villifying her and painting her as someone who is just as bad as the worst bomb throwers on the left, that conservatives by nature feel they must somewhat distance themselves from her.

      Here's a suggestion to conservatives: if you like Ann Coulter or agree with her substance, then don't let liberals tell you that you shouldn't and don't feel you have to distance yourself from her. Then they are accomplishing the very thing that Ann's positions are designed to counter against and why should they define our points-of-view for us and what we should deem appropriate or not? They seem to have enough trouble managing their own controversial representatives; why should we let them manage ours? Ann does not set back conservatism; she promotes it with deadly precision and we should thank her for doing what she does.

      There. I said it. Now spank me for it.

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#8 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:42 PM EDT
      {"commentId":216352,"authorDomain":"akg"}

      I've met Ms. Coulter when she visited my college several years ago, and I have to say I think she's rather pathetic. Her diatribes are the exact opposite of intelligent discourse. She's hateful, smug, rude, dishonest, and a really lousy public speaker. I was actually very excited to hear her speak, because the speakers on the college circuit tend to be more liberal, but instead of an insightful conservative argument, she offered an hour-long string of nervous one-liners. She was visibly shaking the entire time and she always laughed at her own jokes as she artlessly navigated from one non-sequiter liberal cliche to the next. Getting smarter? Not by listening to or reading Ann Coulter.

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      • 6 votes
      Reply#9 - Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:56 PM EDT
      {"commentId":216801,"authorDomain":"staflea"}

      Here in the UK, Coulter and her views have (understandably) passed us by - but the other week Newsnight (BBC news analysis programme) interviewed her. She came across as a purveyor of one liners with no substance or thought behind them, whose only defence was to attack the interviewer (I doubt Paxman lost any sleep!) and we, the viewers, were left wondering why anyone took her seriously or indeed took any notice of her at all.

      Perhaps the right in the US distance themselves from her because they don't find her credible? And maybe the "left" needs to just ignore her and that will be the end of her. Arguing with her gives her credibility that perhaps she does not merit.

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      • 3 votes
      Reply#10 - Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:26 AM EDT
      {"commentId":224659,"authorDomain":"Nycam"}

      Excellent insight, Staflea

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        #10.1 - Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:53 AM EDT
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        {"commentId":216812,"authorDomain":"robknight"}

        Let's see, weekly frothing attacks on the values and ideology of ~50% of the U.S. population and we wonder why she elicits so much hatred?

        I'm so befuddled.

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        • 3 votes
        Reply#11 - Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:54 AM EDT
        {"commentId":224413,"authorDomain":"shell"}

        I liked this article. Someone is finally acknowledging that people have rights to their opinions even if they are on the Right.

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