Sudanese want teachers Execution over teddy bear

I guess it would be time to pull all foriegn teachers out of Sudan.

I think so.

I am surprised they are not leaving voluntarily out of fear of making a similar innocent error.

hm. either that or our biased support of the apartheid regime of israel is making us more enemies than we can deal with. being strong on national defense has resulted in an agonizing struggle against a nation which hasnt had a military force for 4 and a half years.

your description of islam is pretty narrow. even in the beginning, the reason that islam has "bloody roots" is because the followers of muhammed were under constant intense persecution from the leaders of their surrounding nations, including the jews as well as the "old guard" polytheistic governments of the cradle of civilization.

it was a religion borne of military struggle, with military victories held up as important events to remember.

in america, we honor military victories which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in germany and japan.

as opposed to europe, america still embraces, quite vigorously by some people, the death penalty, which will eventually become outdated as a mode of punishment, as society progresses.

in america, a black man with a clean history is less likely to be hired than a white ex-convict.

these are brutal and indisputable facts about our society. we are quick to insult other societies, but we are increasingly not in a great position to be handing out advice.

i'm curious, query, how much have you studied about islam, eastern africa, or the middle east?

Qeury,

Your comment has been reported as inflammatory and I encourage others to do the same.

firsty-to be considered an "apartheid" regime you must demonstrate your prejudice against some target group. Israel allows over a million Arabs to live in their state as equals, they're even in their Israeli government.

How many Arabs states allow Jews to live in their country? NONE In fact most of them preach hatred and intolerance against Jews and its no secret the Palestinians want to "drive them into the sea". Its also in the Hamas Charter that they do not recognize Israel's right to exist, which is why they've been unable to form a state for over 60 years, because they're too focused on their Jihad and war of attrition against Israel.

So who's the real racist "apartheid regime"? That's right the Palestinians and Arabs who in their own religious holy book the Quran, calls Jews "apes and pigs"1 and preach that they should be killed.2 Are Jews suicide bombing, launching rockets on a daily basis against Palestinians or is it the other way around?

1.[And Allah was so disgusted with Jews that he transformed them into apes and pigs. (Sura 5:60/65, 2:65 and 7:166)]

2. ['"The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.'" Bukhari Vol. 4, Book 52, Num. 177 also 179 and 180.]

Clearly you're a muslim apologist-in fact all the battles (over 80) Mohammed waged against non-muslims were offensive except one. Its the been the same pattern since Islam's inception, "convert to my cult, submit to my rule or die." Islam has never changed since the 7th century, unlike Christianity which has reformed-its why 95% of the world's terrorism is caused by muslims today.

Query, Your comment has been reported as inflammatory...

Jason-that's fine, anyone who's done even half the research I have, will know everything I've said is true and factual. Its also the reason for the War on Terror against Islamofascism-for those who remember this country is still at war against radical muslims.

I've elaborated on the same ideology that motivated 9/11 and other terrorist attacks around the world by Islamists, as well as this outrageous charge against this British woman for naming a teddy bear Mohammad.

I'm sure the same Islamic terrorists who'd like to destroy us would also love to silence any criticism/critics or analysis of their death cult while spreading their own anti-American, pro-Islamic propaganda.

Disclaimer for the politically correct crowd, though I've stated it before it bears repeating so there's no confusion, not all muslims support Islamic Imperialism, but based on UK/USA polls, most support terrorists like Osama and the Islamification of the West, a minority support suicide bombing.

There-got my bases covered.

apartheid regime of israel

Apartheid regime? Hardly. Apparently you have been deceived by propaganda.

Ahhh, there goes someone quoting not the Quraan, but a translated version, so in the spirit of reciprocating I will quote a bible that is not Aramaic.
Here goes query, let me know when to stop.

Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 22:20-1 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house.

Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

Ezekiel 20:25-26 I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.
Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men.
2:18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Leviticus 25:44-45
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

The point is this Query, with every religious text, there is context, and while I agree that the quraan calls a certain group of jews that lived a long time ago Pigs and Monkeys, I tell you that your understanding is different. you see, from our side of the story, it says, that God has transformed a certain group of jews into said animal as punishment for their disobedience. The rest of the jews are not called pigs and monkeys. The prophet of islam died with some of his belongings pawned to a certain jewish neighbour, so that does not go much into the theory you claim of us calling all jews monkey and pigs.

So get your facts rights, I don't call any jews pigs or monkeys and neither does any muslim fundamentalist that understands his quraan.

Also, Yes, we believe that the final war that will take place in this earth is the one between muslims and jews, but that's no different than your own belief that the final day will be a ware between jews and their enemies. I think you call it Armagedeon or something to that effect.

To answer your question, How many arab regimes allow jews to live there? A lot actually, how about syria, Morrocco and even my country Sudan where my uncle had a jewish friend who is still living in downtown khartoum til today. Let me put it this way, when was the last time you saw an arab army detachment shooting rubber or non rubber bullets at unarmed civilians, lemme think, hmmm. Nah, I think that was the IDF. But then again, what do I know.

If you get on the vine, be prepared to be replied to. The only place where jews are not allowed to be is Saudi Arabia, Yeah, that is correct, according to our religion, there shall be no jews there, but that's no different from you saying that there should be no muslims in the temple or muslims in the vatikan.

PS: I'm also impressed by your insightful understanding about the aims of a billlion people, can you help me with my stock portfolio?

lycan-either you're ignorant of what's being done in the name of Islam or you're covering up for the radicals in your Ummah (muslim community), which is actually pretty typical for a muslim.

I'm atheist so quoting the Bible is pointless because I think its a mythology like all other religions, but I will say in Christianity's defense that none of them take these passages literally. That's in stark contrast to Islam which has a demonstrated history which continues to this day of preaching hate, intolerance, bigotry and murder against genuinely peaceful muslims and non-muslims. We're also well aware of the terrorism, rioting, suicide-bombing caused by muslims, you never hear of Christians doing the same in their religion's name in our time.

I'm know the more facts and proof I present the more you'll continue to deflect, obfuscate, cover-up or simply lie about the true nature of Islamofascism, because you're trained in the art of al-taqqiya (deception). I'll leave it up to the impartial, thinking people to form their own conclusions based on the evidence. If its a tiny minority of radicals shouldn't you be on our side denouncing those who give all muslims a bad name-rather than trying to convince us that we're misunderstanding them?

You forgot to mention Iran which also showcases a tiny population of Jews to say "see we're tolerant, we let Jews live here" but they leave out the fact that they're 'dhimmis' (slaves) and can be genocided at any time. There's extensive apartheid literature in the Quran on how to treat inferiors, slaves in a muslim country. And finding a few exceptions to the rule-doesn't change the rule. We're concerned about the beliefs and practices of the majority of the muslims, not the outliers.

None of that dismisses the fact that in Islam's teaching and what's taught in fundamentalist muslim mosques (are there any other kind?) is hatred towards Jews, Christians and non-muslims as well as Islamic supremacy and conquering/enslaving of 'unbelievers'.

At least you didn't deny the Quran calls Jews 'apes and pigs' but your claim that its in the past is unfounded as you can see in the evidence below. Maybe somebody forgot to tell them that Islam is a gentle peaceful religion now and intolerance is no longer permitted.

Yeah, that is correct, according to our religion, there shall be no Jews [in Saudi Arabia]

So then you admit I'm right, Islam is intolerant and hateful against Jews (and non-muslims). Then what are you arguing about?

Some video evidence:

Jews are 'apes and pigs'1

Jews are 'apes and pigs'2

Jews are 'apes and pigs'3

Death to America

Death to Israel

Jerusalem Day

Muslim Supremacy

Nuclear Jihad

Undercover Mosque

I should add, here's a good discussion of this incident on Bill O'Reilly. You can see the apologist (much like those on Newsvine) using the same excuses we always hear from muslims whenever such an incident occurs. See video:

Mohammed Bear

query: Are you against all religions or just Islam? Because I could say the same things about Christianity that you're saying about Islam by pulling obscure passages and finding websites that explain how horrible Christians are and how ridiculous their belief system is. (I'm an atheist and not a fan of any religion, but I do at least respect Islam, Christianity, and other religions.)

To argue that "the majority" of Islamic people in the United States and the UK support Osama bin Laden is a very broad claim. There is a difference in agreeing with his view point and agreeing with how he acts. I am sure many agree that the western world is impeding on their religion, but they don't all advocate terrorist attacks in response.

And you're citing Bill O'Reilly as a source? The guy is an idiot neo-con.

Query Query Query, when are you going to have an opinion of your own.

I'm a Muslim fundamentalist, I'm a sunni muslims, and many people like you call me a wahabi terrorist, probably there is some file about me somewhere, but I got nothing to hide.

So your argument of Taqeeya does not apply here (Shia's believe in Taqeeya, not us), this is my background, just so that you know.

I believe in Jihad, the right of the muslim nation to wage war against any nation that threatens it. Much like any modern nation, so why not us.

I believe in the rights of women, the rights of non-muslims, the freedom of speech, all of which can be taken directly from my Quraan, many people find this really hard to believe, but the roots of the problem are deeper than I expect you to think because you have already made up your mind about me, what I will say, what I will do and so on.

I believe that the world will forever be constructed of various types of people, muslims, jews, christians, and even people like you, it is necessary to have those different types of ideas around, it's called competition and may the best man win.

Now to say that I'm covering up, is presumptuous, as you have no clue what my intentions are any more that you have a clue about the intentions of all the billion plus muslims in the world, which you boldly claimed earlier on.

Make no mistake my man, there is nothing that shames me in my religion, not one thing if I foudn one thing, i would have joined you in your lonely athiesm. I dont deny anything written in the quraan as you pointed out, what I deny is your right to claim knowledge of a topic you clearly cut and pasted from somewhere to prove your point. Scientists call this Confirmation Bias.

I think you need to understand a bit of arabic yourself before you claim I obfuscate, equivocate and many other fancy words you used. But that I think would be a bit much.

To answer your question about Islam being the driving force behind terrorism, I say this: Who killed more peop), Heck if we are going to lump people together, I might as well do that, and believe me if we put the math together, you are not going to win.

You say we never hear of any Christians doing those things nowadays, How about timothy mcvey, Wacko ( I appologize to my fellow christians on the vine, but I was trying to make a point to query ).

I have come to accept that there are always going to be marginally knowledgeable people that claim to be experts about a certain topic, much like yourself here in the subject matter of islam, but I will not hold that against you.

All you need to know my dear query, is this: I'm a muslim, I'm a fundamentalist and I don't agree with what you are telling me about my religion, I have no problem with doing business with Jews or Christians and no problem with them being my neighbors or co workers. And this is not because I'm swell kinda guy, it's my religion. Take this chance to talk to a person from the same group of people you think you know so much and learn something, you dont have to agree with me, just learn something.

lycan,

I'm a Muslim fundamentalist...I believe in Jihad, the right of the muslim nation to wage war against any nation that threatens it. Much like any modern nation, so why not us.

The fact that non-muslims exist and do not follow Islam, is automatically considered "oppression" in muslim theology. So muslims feel themselves to be in a state of permanent oppression whenever they're in secular or 'infidel' country, which they refer to 'Dar-ul-Harb' or Land of War.

Muslims are hence instructed to wage war, or Jihad against the kafirs/infidels, (those evil unbelievers who are doomed to roast in hell), until they all submit to 7th century muslim rule and the state is converted to 'Dar-ul-Islam' or Land of Peace.

So by its nature, Islam is an offensive, war-mongering death cult. By admitting you're a fundamentalist, you're stating your an Islamic supremacist, much like a white-supremacist but you hate others for their religion, rather than race-you're just a fascist of a different stripe.

You know the sad thing about being brainwashed by your religion is that you are unable to see that we already have peace and basically anything one would want in our great modern civilization. The muslim version of peace will have us living in the dark ages again and you can be sure we in the West will not allow that to happen.

You muslims could've practiced your religion in peace in the West like everyone else does-but because you think you're superior and feel you should be in power over everyone you're creating a civilizational war when there is no need for one.

But hey, forests need fires to clear the diseased, decaying, dead wood to rejuvenate and become stronger. So I think another world war will do the human race some good.

If you respect these filthy shams of 'religions' clearly-you are no atheist.

I am not allowed to respect people's beliefs and be an atheist? Respecting beliefs and believing in God are two different things. You are the person that gives atheists a bad name.

So your argument of Taqeeya does not apply here (Shia's believe in Taqeeya, not us), this is my background, just so that you know.

Sunnis and Shias both practice Taqiyya.

I believe in Jihad, the right of the muslim nation to wage war against any nation that threatens it. Much like any modern nation, so why not us.

So I take it you support the killing of coalition forces? While you believe in defensive jihad, I'm sure you also believe in offensive jihad, per the instructions of Mohammed:

"I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/008.sbt.html#001.008.387

I believe in the rights of women, the rights of non-muslims, the freedom of speech, all of which can be taken directly from my Quraan,

Of course women and non-Muslims have rights in Islam, but not the same rights as Muslim men.

I believe that the world will forever be constructed of various types of people, muslims, jews, christians, and even people like you, it is necessary to have those different types of ideas around, it's called competition and may the best man win.

Of course! Islam is superior to all religions, right?

I think you need to understand a bit of arabic yourself before you claim I obfuscate, equivocate and many other fancy words you used. But that I think would be a bit much.

Find me something from the Qur'an or the Sunnah that says the Qur'an must be read in Arabic. Arabic is a language like any other, German, Japanese, and like those languages, it can be translated. Imagine a Christian chiding someone for not knowing the original Hebrew or Greek.

To answer your question about Islam being the driving force behind terrorism, I say this: Who killed more peop)

Ah, what a delightful question! I was reading an article the other day that estimated the death toll from the Islamic slave trade in Africa at 120 million:

"History records around 11,000,000 Africans being sent to the Americas and about 13,000,000 being sent to Islamic countries for a total of 24,000,000 African slaves. To get one slave, many others have to be killed for the tribe to surrender to enslavement. The old, sick and children are left behind to starve. These collateral deaths are conservatively estimated to about 5 to 1. So that implies that over 1400 years, 120,000,000 million Africans have been killed to furnish Islam with its profits."

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=16027ED9-FFFE-4E3C-B9B6-30E0F0D980FC Besides, there's a huge difference between the crimes of people of a faith, and crime specifically inspired by the faith.

You say we never hear of any Christians doing those things nowadays, How about timothy mcvey, Wacko

At no time did Timothy McVeigh claim to be killing for god, or quote the Bible to justify his deeds. Possible because Timothy McVeigh was an atheist.

All you need to know my dear query, is this: I'm a muslim, I'm a fundamentalist and I don't agree with what you are telling me about my religion, I have no problem with doing business with Jews or Christians and no problem with them being my neighbors or co workers.

Infidel business partners, neighbors and co-workers? Kumbaya! Curiously, you neglect to mention you have no problem with them being your friends. I may know why:

"O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. God guides not the people of the evildoers." (Qur'an 5:51)

Remember what Query said about you being "trained in the art of al-taqqiya (deception)"? Yeah...

First of all, I would like everybody to Give query and ytmnd a hug. hehehe, they could use one, really.

Now for the ensuing debate.

First:

which they refer to 'Dar-ul-Harb' or Land of War.

Query is refering to the idea of a muslim scholar known as Abu Alala Almawdoodi, who is a great scholar, but somehow missed the point on what the islamic nation should be like, Abu Alala Almawdoodi, is highly respected but he is not infalible, his definition of Government and Islamic nation has created The muslim brotherhood political party and many others, However, if you look at the quraan, you will not find such a term. So there.

Sunnis and Shias both practice Taqiyya.

I believe in defensive Jihad and offensive jihad, much like the US believes in defending it's national interests by defensive operations and offensive operations, can you say Granada, Panama, the philipines, for crying out loud the US has participated in a military operation every two years since it's independance from great britain.

Lets not have two standards here, one standard will do just fine.

With regards to my idea that Islam is a superior idea, yeah, what kind of a dim whit would I be if I adhered to something that I thought was was wrong, if I was convinced that atheism is the way to go, I will sign up, just convince me and tell me where to sign, heck, I'm all for it.

You are very wrong on Taqiya, it is a shia concept, which does not exist in Islam to begin with, it's a concept that the Shia extrapolated from the quraan to allow them to assimilate in Sunni societies without being persecuted by any oppressive sunni government that my threaten them. It's called laying low. So no, I dont believe in Taqeeya and you are wrong.

So I take it you support the killing of coalition forces?

Ofcourse I do, any time an army invades a nation, it's people are entitled to fight, Iraqis are well within their right to defend their nation, through Jihad, insurgency or whatever, to quote George Carlin "Lets not have double standards, one standard will do just fine".

Ah, what a delightful question! I was reading an article the other day that estimated the death toll from the Islamic slave trade in Africa at 120 million:

"History records around 11,000,000 Africans being sent to the Americas

Ahh, talk about putting your foot in your mouth, Slaves were gathered by slave traders, muslim and christians alike, this was the dot com business of the day, and while I don't agree with it, and neither does my religion, it did happen, and it happened by very famous slave traders, some of them from my country, like a certain guy named Alzubair wad rahma. He was made a Pasha by the brits and the turks for his contributions to good business.

The number you have mentioned is highly deflated by the way, 120 million were killed, this was like 200 years ago, I dont think Africa had the population to begin with, lets do the math of population growth and work backwards shall we?

however you are right, There were indeed slave traders and muslims as well as christians, evil traders, who participated in it, so lets not blame one part only, mkay?

With regards to having friends, jews, I couldn't have possibly summed up in one sentence all the adjectives that describe human interaction in my post, but to answer your question about having Jewish friends, I do have two, and they worked at the International financial center in NY, and they saw the towers go down.

Your ability to presume about me is only surpassed by your inability to speak to the other party without prejudice. So, I'll let that one go query.

Now back to the word infidels, sadly the english langauge does not translate the arabic word Kufaar properly, so your creative linguist used infidel, which is fine, but the arabic word Kafir, means anyone who does not agree with Islam, be that athiest, christian or whatever, we are not about to change our language just because it makes you uncomfortable. kafir means one who denies FYI.

With regards to your reference to verse 5.51, again your lack of knowledge of arabic and the translation efforts of God knows who betrays you again, the arabic word is not friends, it's Awleyaa.

Awleyaa, for those that wish to know, translates to Allies, and in times of war, you make no allies with the people who are at that time your enemy, makes perfect sense to me.

Now for Timothy Mcviegh, I didn't know he was an athiest, so I'll remove him from my reference to evil people inspired by thier poor understanding of religion, happy now?

As for ytmnd, who do you think trained me by the way in the art of deception? Please feel free to tell me about my own life, go on, hehehe.

You guys should really try to make an effort to understand, avoid engaging in research when you have confirmation bias. Okay?

I would like to quote Plato, ever heard of him? Plato said" The objective of a debate is not to score points, but to arrive at a conclusion".

First of all, I would like everybody to Give query and ytmnd a hug. hehehe, they could use one, really.

Now for the ensuing debate.

First:

which they refer to 'Dar-ul-Harb' or Land of War.

Query is refering to the idea of a muslim scholar known as Abu Alala Almawdoodi, who is a great scholar, but somehow missed the point on what the islamic nation should be like, Abu Alala Almawdoodi, is highly respected but he is not infalible, his definition of Government and Islamic nation has created The muslim brotherhood political party and many others, However, if you look at the quraan, you will not find such a term. So there.

Sunnis and Shias both practice Taqiyya.

I believe in defensive Jihad and offensive jihad, much like the US believes in defending it's national interests by defensive operations and offensive operations, can you say Granada, Panama, the philipines, for crying out loud the US has participated in a military operation every two years since it's independance from great britain.

Lets not have two standards here, one standard will do just fine.

With regards to my idea that Islam is a superior idea, yeah, what kind of a dim whit would I be if I adhered to something that I thought was was wrong, if I was convinced that atheism is the way to go, I will sign up, just convince me and tell me where to sign, heck, I'm all for it.

You are very wrong on Taqiya, it is a shia concept, which does not exist in Islam to begin with, it's a concept that the Shia extrapolated from the quraan to allow them to assimilate in Sunni societies without being persecuted by any oppressive sunni government that my threaten them. It's called laying low. So no, I dont believe in Taqeeya and you are wrong.

So I take it you support the killing of coalition forces?

Ofcourse I do, any time an army invades a nation, it's people are entitled to fight, Iraqis are well within their right to defend their nation, through Jihad, insurgency or whatever, to quote George Carlin "Lets not have double standards, one standard will do just fine".

Ah, what a delightful question! I was reading an article the other day that estimated the death toll from the Islamic slave trade in Africa at 120 million:

"History records around 11,000,000 Africans being sent to the Americas

Ahh, talk about putting your foot in your mouth, Slaves were gathered by slave traders, muslim and christians alike, this was the dot com business of the day, and while I don't agree with it, and neither does my religion, it did happen, and it happened by very famous slave traders, some of them from my country, like a certain guy named Alzubair wad rahma. He was made a Pasha by the brits and the turks for his contributions to good business.

The number you have mentioned is highly deflated by the way, 120 million were killed, this was like 200 years ago, I dont think Africa had the population to begin with, lets do the math of population growth and work backwards shall we?

however you are right, There were indeed slave traders and muslims as well as christians, evil traders, who participated in it, so lets not blame one part only, mkay?

With regards to having friends, jews, I couldn't have possibly summed up in one sentence all the adjectives that describe human interaction in my post, but to answer your question about having Jewish friends, I do have two, and they worked at the International financial center in NY, and they saw the towers go down.

Your ability to presume about me is only surpassed by your inability to speak to the other party without prejudice. So, I'll let that one go query.

Now back to the word infidels, sadly the english langauge does not translate the arabic word Kufaar properly, so your creative linguist used infidel, which is fine, but the arabic word Kafir, means anyone who does not agree with Islam, be that athiest, christian or whatever, we are not about to change our language just because it makes you uncomfortable. kafir means one who denies FYI.

With regards to your reference to verse 5.51, again your lack of knowledge of arabic and the translation efforts of God knows who betrays you again, the arabic word is not friends, it's Awleyaa.

Awleyaa, for those that wish to know, translates to Allies, and in times of war, you make no allies with the people who are at that time your enemy, makes perfect sense to me.

Now for Timothy Mcviegh, I didn't know he was an athiest, so I'll remove him from my reference to evil people inspired by thier poor understanding of religion, happy now?

As for ytmnd, who do you think trained me by the way in the art of deception? Please feel free to tell me about my own life, go on, hehehe.

You guys should really try to make an effort to understand, avoid engaging in research when you have confirmation bias. Okay?

I would like to quote Plato, ever heard of him? Plato said" The objective of a debate is not to score points, but to arrive at a conclusion".

I am not allowed to respect people's beliefs and be an atheist? Respecting beliefs and believing in God are two different things. You are the person that gives atheists a bad name.

Ben-the idea of atheism is antithetical to belief systems. Atheists consider beliefs to be childish, insulting to one's intelligence, absurd, laughable, worthy of elimination-so how does one respect beliefs if one considers them to be offensive?

Just the fact that I have to explain to you how an atheist thinks proves you're not one. Its like someone claiming to be Jew who respects Nazism. Considering you "respect" Islam, you're very likely a muslim posing as an atheist/liberal trying to give true atheists a bad name.

Since when do 'beliefs' deserve any respect? That's theistic crazy-talk "respect my beliefs simply because I have them". You might believe you're getting your thoughts from a flying pink hippo in a tu-tu pissing on your head but don't expect me to take you seriously on something so idiotic (unless you can prove it), same goes for your invisible, unprovable sky-man.

Beliefs are ideas people latch onto because they're gullible, stupid, weak, lazy thinkers. If anything beliefs deserve to be ridiculed and burned in effigy, especially when they cause people to kill others over 'insulting' a mass-murdering child molester that fundamentalist muslims worship and try to emulate.

I am not allowed to respect people's beliefs and be an atheist? Respecting beliefs and believing in God are two different things. You are the person that gives atheists a bad name.

Ben-the idea of atheism is antithetical to belief systems. Atheists consider beliefs to be childish, insulting to one's intelligence, absurd, laughable, worthy of elimination-so how does one respect beliefs if one considers them to be offensive?

Just the fact that I have to explain to you how an atheist thinks proves you're not one. Its like someone claiming to be Jew who respects Nazism. Considering you "respect" Islam, you're very likely a muslim posing as an atheist/liberal trying to give true atheists a bad name.

Since when do 'beliefs' deserve any respect? That's theistic crazy-talk "respect my beliefs simply because I have them". You might believe you're getting your thoughts from a flying pink hippo in a tu-tu pissing on your head but don't expect me to take you seriously on something so idiotic (unless you can prove it), same goes for your invisible, unprovable sky-man.

Beliefs are ideas people latch onto because they're gullible, stupid, weak, lazy thinkers. If anything beliefs deserve to be ridiculed and burned in effigy, especially when they cause people to kill others over 'insulting' a mass-murdering child molester that fundamentalist muslims worship and try to emulate.

Oops duplicate link here's the right one:

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Oh well, farewell query then. Send postcards.
However, I hate to burst your bubble, we are not about to go anywhere, so you better deal with it.

Take care query, and go to the gym, it will help you with that anger.

One last thing, that Imam you put in the link, Shia, but you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, us towell heads hajiis all look the same to you I guess.

Oh and the guys you put in the link with the video clip, they are Shia. that just goes to show that we are all the same to you. But I wasnt expeting depth from you anyway, so it's alright.

One last thing, that Imam you put in the link, Shia, but you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, us towell heads hajiis all look the same to you I guess.

Oh well, farewell query then. Send postcards.

Oh and the guys you put in the link with the video clip, they are Shia. that just goes to show that we are all the same to you. But I wasnt expeting depth from you anyway, so it's alright.

query: you're a hypocrite. By not respecting other's belief systems you're doing exactly what the evangelical Christians are guilty of - claiming that they have the only "true" belief system. The "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude is juvenile.

Atheism is not something that is founded on hatred of religion, it is founded on not believing there is a God, gods, or "higher being," and that phenomena that religions try to explain with their gods have scientific or natural explanations. There is no reason to disrespect other people and insult their intelligence. You do not have to hate religious people to be an atheist.

Calvin Tang,

I'm university educated and am well aware of your site's rules. Why don't you tell me exactly what I said that constituted "hate speech" rather making this generalized and specious claim without supporting it. Everything I've stated in my comments, the articles I've seeded comes from mainstream sources, scholarship and history-if you took the time to read my posts you'd know where I stand.

For instance I stated that Islam has been waging war against humanity for 1400 years and has killed over 270 million people. Now is this "hate speech" or historical fact? According to this article based on a scholar: Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI), its a fact.

Another claim, Mohammad was a pedophile-on the surface it seems like hate speech, but according to Islamic and western historical records, he married a 6 year old and consummated the marriage when she was 9. Again facts, not hate. He also waged many offensive battles against non-muslims to spread his cult, more well documented history, it is not hate speech to call him a mass-murder since that's what he was.

I can go through every single statement I've made and point you towards mainstream, reliable sources that can back my claim.

Are you aware Calvin that America and the West is at war against Radical Islam, the same ideology that's motivated the attack on 9/11, UK's 7/7 bombing, Madrid, Mumbai, the death threats against the Pope, the Queen, the muslim riots over cartoons, this story here of the teacher imprisoned and threatened with death for "insulting Mohammed" by naming a teddy bear after him, the 200 lashes sentence for a woman who was raped in Saudi Arabia, etc.

Do you think these radical muslims hate us? Am I not allowed to say they hate and want to kill us?

Will you then in fairness delete Lycan's comments because he's blatantly stated he supports offense Jihad (which is war against us westerners/non-muslims to force us to convert to Islam) against the West and implied that he'd like to see our troops killed. Could that not be called hate speech?

I got 7 positive votes on that comment that you deleted and other members here clearly support my defending of the Western Civilization while denouncing Radical Islam.

Last point, assuming you know we're at war against radical Islam you should be aware that net-jihadists are right here on forums like these sowing their anti-West hate rhetoric while spreading Islamist propaganda and defending Islamic terrorism.

Its people like me that blow the whistle on these Islamists because I support America and the West in case it wasn't obvious, while exposing a 7th century death cult that wants to destroy us. Its why these same pro-jihadists have "reported" me which has me now wasting my time needlessly defending myself.

I'd like an answer Calvin-I have no trouble owning up to any "violation of terms" I've made as long as it can be validated and I haven't been taken out of context.

First we talk to Oakland

Your comment above, that "we are not about to go anywhere, so you better deal with it", along with another comment further above by you ("I'm a Muslim fundamentalist, I'm a sunni muslims, and many people like you call me a wahabi terrorist, probably there is some file about me somewhere, but I got nothing to hide.") is probably actually a self-indictment of sorts,

I don't think you will meet anybody that is more open about his belief system on the vine than me, I'm not here to hide who I am because I'm not ashamed of who I am. If people choose to hate Islam or not like it after encountering me, then that's good, if they think it's good for them or the religion has some merit then Good too. That is called thinking, if Query, despite his skewed confirmation biased research decides to hate, then that's his choice. I do have a reply to each one of his points, but this post was about a helpless teacher in Sudan cought in the wrong place at the wrong time and now phobia has taken it over.

Why did my comment about me being A muslim fundamentalist, and some of you may call me a wahabi terrorist upset you so much that you called it a self indictment. Do you indict people now based on that? Dont you want to find out what those words mean first or are you just going to take someone else word for it and let other people do the thinking for you.

I specifically mention who I am, what I believe to get people to think instead of having trigger reactions to key words, by trigger reaction I mean your immediate jump to a conclusion about what type of person I am.

And Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if your tax dollars are spent investigating people like me, Hell, I'll even give your FBI and Homeland Security my number and let them waste hundreds of man hours trying to tie me to someone who did something, only to fail and decide to incarcerate me anyway.

As for the comment about us Muslims going away, fading into the sunset being replaced by some Islam 2.0 or whatever people like you would like us to change to, I'm sad to tell you, Islam has been around for 1400 years, The Persian empire couldn't do it, the roman empire couldn't do it. "Okay, the romans were on their last days anyways so that probably doesn't count", Crusaders couldn't do it, and more recently Russian and American forces with all their might couldn't do it. ( I would like to point your attention though, that your government does not attempt to change Islam, just so that you know, okay? because that is against the excellent ideas that your founding fathers have come up with, by the way, they would be ashamed that so many have outsourced thinking to other people).

Ideas my man are immortal, they live long after the people that have created them expired.
The fact that you think that my reply to query regarding us being moved out, wiped out, replaced and me saying that we are not going to do that is just an example of the double standard you have.

You want freedom alright, just not my freedom. You want democracy alright, or they tell you that you want it, but only so long as democracy does not lead to anyway of life other than your's oakland.

You want us to fight for our land and country when Saddam or the russians were the oppressor, but when that oppressor becomes the USA, we are supposed to play nice and hand flowers. I admit, the US presence presence in Iraq has some benefits, but it also has it's catastrophic effects. Nation building, fine, you broke it, now you must fix it. but for God's sake, having military forces on the ground to deal with people you affectionately refer to as Haji. You cant even tell friend from foe over there, what the hell are you doing?

I really feel for you Oakland, At least the Ideas that I believe in have been around for 1400 years and have a billion plus followers, but the excellent ideas of your founding father are slowly being eroded and you're not even aware of it because they Got you into this auto-hate mode on all us muslims and whoever they will tell you is your enemy in the future, while gradually taking away the excellent stuff that made america what it is, but then again, that's not my battle, that's yours.

Now we talk to query:

even though you said you have wasted more than enough time on this and that you will move on, you are back, which shows interest, I like that, Now, instead of trying to put words in my mouth Query, why don't you focus on what I said. I do support defensive Jihad, in our language that means our right to defend our nation from invadors, and Yes, this means USA troops in Iraq, Russian troops in Chechniya, and wherever there are occupying forces. Last time I checked, Iraq was not part of the union, or is it? I dont think so.

Now, I also mentioned that a muslim nation according to Islamic law has the right to offensive Jihad, which means, the right to wage offensive strikes as a nation, much like the USA did Panama Granda, philiphines and any of the offensive military campaigns that the USA has waged every two years since it's independence. if we are going to criminalize offensive strikes, lets do so on an international level, but sadly, I don't think politics and the power between nations will ever allow that to happen. There will always be one guy saying, I'll sucker punch him now before he does something. It's just life man, and yes, you need to deal with that part of life. I know being an thiest you would hope for the rule of international law and morality and all that, but being an athiest does not mean to loose sense of the realities on the ground.

Killing your troops? First of All, I run into your guys at the malls, I see them buying music CD, having lunch wearing normal cloth, they don't look like bad people to me, but put them in military customes and send them to a land that is not theirs, and they start to look really evil to any man.
Those 17 and 18 years old boys your government tricks out of high school into joining the army and being all they can be, Yes, they are told they are going serve thier country and defend freedom, but first to defend freedom, they MUST TAKE IT FROM OTHERS.

Well, I got news for you man, to the people on the ground, they dont see Dave, Todd, Justin, they see soldiers, invading soldiers. In fact, I'll one up you on this, what your government is doing is exactly what my government has been doing for years. Back then the new military regime in Sudan, wanted a cause, to rally the masses so to speak, much like hating islam as a cause on your end. And to do that, they waged this war on the poor, underprivileged southern Sudanese people who were just complaining that the government of old did not pay attention to them, much like the war the US waged on the native americans, you know, the real americans that lived there before the white man came to manifest destiny.

So my government goes on recruiting, conscripting and sending young people to an early grave, just so that they can stay a little longer in power.

PS: I dont think you have been in violation of Terms of Service, I just think you curse too much, your case could be presented much better without name calling. You should try that you know.

Here I am, on the vine, denouncing what the teacher is going through, rebutting the religious claims that my own government claims are grounds for holding her at my own risk by the way, I still do have to go back to Sudan my man. In process, I'm telling people about Islam so that they can hate or appreciate based on facts, I'm also taking a bit of abuse here and there in the form of name calling and I"m the Bad guy.

Last point, assuming you know we're at war against radical Islam you should be aware that net-jihadists are right here on forums like these sowing their anti-West hate rhetoric while spreading Islamist propaganda and defending Islamic terrorism.

Did I just get called a net Jihadist? Hehehe, Too bad no one is paying me for my poorly spelled, rather lenghty and borind comments, but you have to admit, I dont hide stuff, I dont equivocate, that's gotta mean something right?

You are right in defending what you think is the way of life you choose, but I guess I have the same right to speaking my mind as you.

The problem with you query in my opinion, is that you don't know your subject matter, you cant tell the difference between me and a guy that would kill you just because you disagree with him, and that is sad. Really sad.

Last point, assuming you know we're at war against radical Islam you should be aware that net-jihadists are right here on forums like these sowing their anti-West hate rhetoric while spreading Islamist propaganda and defending Islamic terrorism.

Did I just get called a net Jihadist? Hehehe, Too bad no one is paying me for my poorly spelled, rather lenghty and borind comments, but you have to admit, I dont hide stuff, I dont equivocate, that's gotta mean something right?

You are right in defending what you think is the way of life you choose, but I guess I have the same right to speaking my mind as you.

The problem with you query in my opinion, is that you don't know your subject matter, you cant tell the difference between me and a guy that would kill you just because you disagree with him, and that is sad. Really sad.

Where have I put words in your mouth lycan, this is exactly what you stated in this forum:

Quoting lycan:

I believe in defensive Jihad and offensive jihad

ymtnd asked: "So I take it you support the killing of coalition forces?"

Quoting lycan:

Ofcourse I do

Q.E.D.

So now you were denying your claim trying to suggest I was lying, when in fact you are-that's whats so great about forums, people like you who are habitual liars can easily be caught. I'd cover other statements you've made but this is sufficient to expose you and I also have to head out.

I still stand by my argument that people in Iraq are entitled to fighting whoever occupies thier land, you just can't read behind your own line of though.

You suggested that I was for killing innocent people and that my religion preaches invasion of any other country that is not muslim, and this my dear friend is not in my Quraan.

You know the funny thing is, you share many of the attributes of the peopele you hate, i.e: Terrorists who are muslims, or muslim terrorists.

They think that thier interpretation of Islam is the only one that is valid, much like you believe that Western Democracy is the only type that is good for humanity.

They too would be quick to call the other guy names, just because he does not agree with them. And they too call out for an all out war to end wrongs in this world.

Frankly speaking, you are beyond any reasonable debate, my guess it either has to do with your age or you level of knowledge about your subject matter, but trust me, you'll grow out of it. I assure you.

Why don't you tell me exactly what I said that constituted "hate speech" rather making this generalized and specious claim without supporting it.

You mention all of the things you said that were not hate speech yet you never refer to your use of the term "towel heads." It's surpising that someone who is University educated has to resort to low level name calling to make their point.

Every one, meet DEWAYNE

with an excellent article about the Myth of the Quraan

Excellent research, factual information from someone who clearly knows what he is talking about.

And he managed to do that without name calling, go figure.

yet you never refer to your use of the term "towel heads."

Jason, it was your buddy lycan who said that, check your glasses. I prefer the term Islamofascist, its so much more fitting and politically correct.

The simple fact is that we can all bicker back and forth but what happens on this little forum with its handful of people will have absolutely no influence on the broader War on Terror (ie-against Islamofascism). This is more of a 'barometer' to gauge how some members of the public at large think and I think some people take these message boards a little too seriously.

I've said my piece and I'm moving on-I don't like getting bogged down in any silly melodrama. I'm sure we've all learned the lesson of the "Mohammed Bear" incident. If you insult radical muslim's "prophet" you could be imprisoned, tortured and killed for it. If you want to make sure our civilization doesn't become a bastion of savagery and backwardness, its important to stand up for all the freedoms we hold dear and defeat those who seek to take them away from us.

Otherwise, we'll become another Islamified state like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan where free-speech does not exist and sites that encourage free thought and exchange of ideas like this would be banned, while political dissidents who want freedom and democracy are kidnapped and killed. As the saying goes "for evil to triumph, all it takes is for good men to do nothing."

"Why did my comment about me being A muslim fundamentalist, and some of you may call me a wahabi terrorist upset you so much that you called it a self indictment"

Do you think that terrorist acts vs innocent civilians are justified?

"Also, Yes, we believe that the final war that will take place in this earth is the one between muslims and jews.."

All Jews-- or just the "Zionists"?

Rob your compendium @ #1.44 says it all.

lycan has been amazingly open and accurate regarding all the questions brought to him about his practice and true Islamic beliefs.

I really commend his postings to anyone curious about Islam and with the understanding that lycan is among the Sunni Muslims that tend less toward some of the radical actions we see among the Shias.

@TopJedi :
The distinguished gentleman from Oakland indeed copies and pastes my comments very well, but would do well to put them in context. I mean, If talk about putting selecting what you want from my text and disregarding the rest to serve your point. I'll put some short example that describe why the neo-cons are just like Bin Ladins of this world. They take what they want from a certain text and use it . My position is, use all what I said not what Rob from Oakland has cut and pasted.

Examples include:

(So I take it you support the killing of coalition forces?) "Ofcourse I do,"

This is in line with my position that any nation has the right to defend itself from invading forces, be they coalition forces or whatever. Cutting and pasting it like that seeks to lump me with the terrorists so that the neo-cons don't have to spend too much time thinking about stuff.

"I believe in defensive Jihad and offensive jihad"

Yes, when you read it like that it sounds like I'm advocating muslim nations first and then invading the ones nearby second. however, I was clear in my post, that just as any modern nation reserves the right to defensive and offensive strikes, we too shall have that right. It's only fair.

"On a personal note: If I did meet the guy that drew these cartoons, I think a fist fight would have broke out between us, I can only be civilized for so long."

Oakland was right on this one though, much like any man would get offended by calling his father/mother/sister names, we muslims even go futher, the most sacred thing to us is our religion, and if we get into a fist fight on account of our family, we sure as hell going to get into one when it' comes to insulting our religion.

At any rate, Meet the Fundamentalist 101 is now over, and I will seriously post an article over the next couple of days.

My position is, use all what I said not what Rob from Oakland has cut and pasted.

Fair enough. I fully support that position and encourage others to keep your responses in context. Thank you for engaging so politely and openly on such a sensitive subject that many do not have the opportunity to hear or understand.