'Christmas is evil': Muslim group launch poster campaign against festive period

Yes, very sad, but also, very true.

Yep they sound like a real group of winners!

Imagine if Christians were to put up posters proclaiming Islam is a satanic religion.

These "peaceful" Muslims would be going on a rampage looking to behead any Christian who gets in their way!

But hey, maybe we should put them up. Tit for tat!

They can dish it out, but they damn sure can't take it. @!$%#ing hypocrites

robynlewisTX.--

LOL you saw how rabid they get just of Mohammad cartoons.

Kshark,

Don't forget about burning the Koran!

So weird it's almost unbelievable.

Imagine if Christians were to put up posters proclaiming Islam is a satanic religion.

Let's do more than imagine, shall we?

http://immigration.change.org/blog/view/xenophobic_islam_rising_billboard_needs_to_go_down

These guys are just plain crazy. And people wonder why I have such a low opinion of Muslims like I do. If they do not want to celebrate Christmas that's their business. But do not even TRY to prevent others from celebrating the holiday.

What does the billboard say, Rob?

It's equally the same nonsense.

It's just that you happen to agree with one side of the nonsense.

Sad.

Imagine if Christians were to put up posters proclaiming Islam is a satanic religion.

Well, if it helps, Protestant Christians did outlaw Christmas in Boston a little over 300 years ago. Look it up. They thought it was pretty evil too. Of course the original Christmas wasn't a religious holiday, it was only made into such a thing fairly recently (as history goes anyway).

We have our version. Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church. They are outrageous and offensive, and don't care who they offend. There are crazies the world over, and you know what we do...we read about 'em and heat up the internet discussing it. What did we see on the pledge of allegiance permission slips that KShark seeded? Reporting to the exclusion of truth and the promotion of agenda. It's everywhere.

demmywemmy--

Oh because it is so much fun and

*waving the US Constitution and First Amendment at ya*

However, perhaps next time actually research what it is all about

It is a Documentary about Radical Islam on the rise and given what is happening around the world, try to deny it, I dare you.

Kshark

Start with #2.8 and work your way down. You'll see that you just agreed with me (in a sense) or have painted yourself into a corner.

What was I showing has actually happened? Uhhh...

Imagine if Christians were to put up posters proclaiming Islam is a satanic religion.

And what did you just say this billboard was about?

It is a Documentary about Radical Islam on the rise and given what is happening around the world, try to deny it, I dare you.

Oops! Ha ha ha ha!

Oh, and I completely agree that the wahabi sect of Islam is gaining ground in certain sections of the world due to our incompetence, ignorance, lack of understanding of world issues, a megalomaniacal belief that "our way is the only correct way", false nation building, and above all else FEAR of that which we don't understand.

Awww......

Makes me think the source of those Islamic fanatics, might be the same for the christian fanatics and their billboard ideas.

...don't forget the atheists with their bus signs!

Levi777--

And dragging me and my seed into this is really related HOW?

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demmywemmy--

I didn't paint myself into any corner. Anjem attacked a whole religious holiday celebrated by Christians around the world. The billboard is just about a documentary by Geert Wilders about the rise of RADICAL Islam, not ALL Muslims.

OPPPS HA HA to you too.

Oh I see so you support Al Qaeda, and all the other terrorist organizations and radical Islam. So let me guess you threw a party on 9/11 celebrating the attack eh. Good on ya. Well now I definitely know where you stand. Glad to know you love and support Muslim terrorists and radical Islam. Next thing you will be screaming Jihad on all of us eh.

And I am quite informed, more than you know. But you just showed your ignorance I mean you just really defended the terrorists and radical Islam by blaming the West. Cheers

KShark, I wondered if I said it properly. That wasn't a dis on you. You seeded the link on the school in Mass. and the permission slips. The article (not you) obviously left out some information revealing an agenda other than truth. That's what I was pointing out. It happens all the time. We read the news and how can we know that it's slanted, unless someone local to it shows up and provides the truth, as did demmywemmy and paddymurph

We have our version. Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church.

yeah, but that's a group of only 40 people that's pretty much denounced by everybody in America. but the Muslims have dozens of entire countries full of these fanatics. and Fred Phelps just protests, the Muslims will kill you. if that's the worst Christianity has to offer, i'll take that any day over Islam.

I knew it! And, Santa Is A Socialist. See the compeling investigative report "IS SANTA A SOCIALIST?," posted by the unbiased Pigeon Report.

pigeonreport.newsvine.com

Robyn: Or, try to imagine this: Just suppose a Christian group showed up at the funeral of a soldier who died in Iraq, screaming that this was God's punishment on the U.S. and brandishing posters saying "Thank God for Dead Soldiers?"

Oh, wait . . .

@Mateo...thank you for pointing out the obvious. Someone had to do it!

Mateo,

These guys put up offensive posters, not bombs. So it is most appropriate to compare to Phelps.

If this had been about killing fanatics, than it would have been more appropriate to mention the thousands killed by the Lords Resistance Army (The Christian group famous for kidnapping children to indoctrinate them into their army). 5 year olds with guns sent to kill and 8 year old girl sex slaves sounds like fanatical Christianity to me. But I remember reading somewhere that there is no such thing as moderate Christians.

Instead, how about we just talk about some maniac fanatic with a copy machine? That way I don't have to mention all of the gruesome crimes committed by Christians to prove you don't have the point you think you do.

Someone pointed out that if we trashed Islam's beliefs we would be beheaded. That is always the way when someone believes in a false belief.

As a Christian I don't have to want to behead those who go against God, I pray for their repentance instead. Facing God with a hatred against His way will not be pleasant for any, why would I want that for them ?? To satisfy my anger at their actions ?? My anger is mine, God's anger is righteous, He will make those pay for what they do against Him and His.

I rebuke them in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ and pray they will repent, for their own good not mine.

It is no satire. I believe it is real, the chutzpah of these people comes from getting coddled for the past ten years by politicians and governments.

...don't forget the atheists with their bus signs!

The atheist bus signs simply say "There probably is no God." That's a statement of what atheists (don't) believe. Would you be offended by a bunch of Christians (or Muslims) who rented a bus sign saying "There is a god?"

mikea -- to the "christian" like levi and his/her kind -- anyone who believes different than them are to be hated and not tolerated -- all need to bend down to the will of the christians

the fact that christian crazies have caused more death and destruction than any other is beyond their scope of reason

I see some christians who say they have their version and it is limited to 40 people at westboro church -- either you live under a rock or worse you choose to ignore the facts right in front of you there is a huge list of christian version nutters -- here is just a tiny tip of the wacko christian iceberg

the popes,most all cardinals, most all bishops, falwell, robertson, the guy wanting to burn the qoran, dobson, the family, all associated with AFA and way too many evil, twisted, crazy loons to list

here are just a tiny few links to the christian share of crazies

http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/nutty-christians-at-it-again-whip/

http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-01-05/film/meet-nutty-mainstream-christians-in-waiting-for-armageddon/

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm

http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/28/5-evil-and-crazy-christian-movements/

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/08/evil_muslims_do_same_thing_chr.php

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance85.html

We have our version. Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church.

yeah, but that's a group of only 40 people that's pretty much denounced by everybody in America.

Actually, there's a major difference between obnoxious speech (and I'm certainly not trying to defend Phelps and his sicko followers-- they are true nut cases)-- and actual violence. What they say is totally wrong-- but words only hurt emotions. That's a lot different than actual violent attacks.

krishna, Choudhary is a proponent of terrorism, but he knows how to legally distance himself as the preacher of hate from those who actually carry out his mission. the major difference is that this will incite and encourage a lot of Muslims to carry out anti-Christmas violence, whereas nobody else in the world listens to Fred Phelps.

The Agnostics were also invited, but they're not sure if they'll go or not.

3rdtime

I'm confused.

Okies of any faith come first (makes sense), then out of staters of any faith second?

If so I applaud this dinner.

@ rsmith I GOT IT! Funny! Still laughing! ROLF!

rsmith,

Yep, I got it! Pretty witty! LOL

rsmith,

I really think you have a gift, this comment is great too, I love your sense of humor. ;)

rsmith is too funny!!

(replied in wrong thread, sorry)

Who is "they?" One small fringe group of fanatics. Do you want your religion judged by the actions of its lunatic fringe?

The "lunatic fringe" of Islam is several million lunatics strong...

Islam has approximately 1.3 billion followers. 10% of that is 130 million people although more than 10% are supportive of what the "lunatics" are doing. Then actually closer to 23% (some count 27%) that are part and parcel to that lunacy which comes out to 233 million people. I don't think that qualifies as a "small fringe group".

Everyone judges the "Lunatic Fringe" of supposed Christianity, especially when they are talking about millions of radical islamists that murder on a daily basis. Hmmmm. I just don't see the comparison here, I guess because there is none.

10% of that is 130 million people although more than 10% are supportive of what the "lunatics" are doing. Then actually closer to 23% (some count 27%) that are part and parcel to that lunacy which comes out to 233 million people.

Source, please?

MikeA ... I didn't make the statement and I am not sure what source lovemyplanet will provide buy here is a good place to start!

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Yes indeed...Those Christian homicide/suicide bombers are simply running amok...unabated!

Ontolodox, what an unparalleled bunch of garbage. Might as well say

atheists/agnostics = reprobate drunkards and child molestors. Is that true?

Go paint swastikas on the sidewalk and leave the discussions to more rational minds.

ah Levi77, I'm pretty sure that Ontolodox is saying =/= means "does not equal".

Levi, you obviously completely misunderstood his post. Ontolodox, I see you beat me to it with the parallels to the Westboro "Church."

At least six people read it the same way I did. If I did misread the post, I digress and offer an apology. Guess that shows my age. That and I'm the creative type, not the analytical. I was terrible at math. =/= means "does not equal"?

Yes, =/= means does not equal in math.

Yes indeed...Those Christian homicide/suicide bombers are simply running amok...unabated!

Yeah, it really is sad about all those abortion clinics they bombed, or doctors they shot, or gays they executed.

Thanks for clarifying my post whilst I was work. "Does not equal" was what was meant. Apologies for any confusion.

Don't worry, some of us got it Ontolodox. :) I thought it was funny.

Yeah, it really is sad about all those abortion clinics they bombed, or doctors they shot, or gays they executed.

As compared to suicide bombers and the number of men women and children killed by radical Islamist....

You say "all those abortion clinics they bombed" How many? When ? When was the last abortion clinic bombing? I know when the suicide bomber killed! Facts!

Or "doctors they shot or gays they executed" Doctors shot ..Again how many? When was the last time this happened? Facts!

Gays executed... How many and When.... Facts....

The best number I can find for the number of abortion clinic workers or Doctors being killed is 8... And you compare that these animals!

Jim44 - Actually these things have happened in our history way more than we have been attacked by terrorists on our home soil. I can think of 3-4 off the top of my head.

You have to look at absolute numbers of people killed, not number of events. I didn't live within 250 miles of either NYC or the Pentagon within 9 years of 911, yet I know people whose loved ones were killed on 911. How many have been killed by "abortion terrorists"?

You say "all those abortion clinics they bombed" How many? When ?

Someone i know was curious-- so he researched it. Apparently over the last 20 or 30 years or so there have been 9 (or maybe 8, I forget his exact number) aboprtion clinic bombings.

Eaven one is shocvking-- a horrific act of violence. (Even worse considering it is against a doctor-- who is trying to help people).

But, as horrific as they are-- IMO the thing to realize is that 8 or 9 murders over a few decades is not a trend ....

But given the number of suicide bombings by violent jihadis (it seems like there's at least one a week somewhere in the world) is a trend...it is a pattern (and in addition to the "spodeydopes" who blow themselves up...there's the beheading of Buddhist monks in Thailand...burning of churches and machete attacks on Christians in Nigeria...ongoing terrorism by Islamists in Algeria...the list goes on and on...

As compared to suicide bombers and the number of men women and children killed by radical Islamist....

I could give 2 @!$%#s and a @!$%# about who gets blown up half a world away...the fact that there are abortion bombers and killers here in the US is what makes the christians worse.

I'm glad those christian clinic bombers feel that anything short of suicide bombing is OK!!!

Angry Left, i hate to break it to you, but Muslims have still killed way more people over here in the US than the few abortion doctors killed by Christians.

Angry Left, i hate to break it to you, but Muslims have still killed way more people over here in the US than the few abortion doctors killed by Christians.

So you justify killing as long as it's a lower number?!?

The rebel southern confederacy killed about 600k Americans.

People still wave that rebellious rag around and call it "heritage".

Angry-left: It is the symbols of a branch of evolution that has no where else to go but extinction and they sense it. That is why they are so angry.

Eaven one is shocvking-- a horrific act of violence. (Even worse considering it is against a doctor-- who is trying to help people).

A doctor who aborts a woman isn't trying to help anyone except his wallet. Nobody really sees that as help. I'm not saying anyone should shoot him; we can and will end abortion by legal means. (Today every mom has an ultrasound and we KNOW. I have a biology degree and I KNOW.) But he is violating the oath HE took when he beame a doctor.

HAYTE! How you doin', you ol sinner! LOL! Right you are. Jesus was born in the Springtime. I wonder if it was done that way so that those who used to celebrate the winter solstice, or whatever it was, wouldn't do that AND the birth of Jesus. Or maybe they were like the Jehovah's Witnesses; no birthdays, no holidays, no winter solstice....etc ad nauseum.

Christmas didn't have anything to do with jesus until something like 350 AD when an arch bishop declared that his birth would be celebrated on Dec 25th. Winter festivals and gift giving had been going on in many cultures for about 2000 years before 350 ad

For whatever it's worth, the Puritans in the New England colonies made it illegal to celebrate Christmas, because they regarded the gift-giving, decorating and other such observances as part of a pagan tradition. They were, of course, absolutely right, but I think most of us are glad they lost the argument.

Yeah, me too, trex.

Sundown, however it came to be, I believe it really is about the attitude of the heart, and if someone cannot appreciate what many, if not most, of the world does on this day, then they just need to do something else. If I understand God at all, He responds to faith however it may occur and whatever may cause faith to occur. I have faith that He sent Jesus to earth, and that "those who dwelt in darkness have seen a great Light". I get the warm fuzzies over that. Not that Jesus was born in the Spring (He was) and what bargain I can get and what I'm getting for Christmas. "Those who dwelt in darkness have seen a great Light." What great hope!

It's attitude of the heart, and nothing else.

And to you, nel...Merry Christmas, warm feet, sufficient food and an abundance of love for you!

I don't think Christmas is evil...I think it makes no sense. Jesus was born in May. *shrug*

So what? Are holidays ever just about historical reality? I've got news for you. In those days, birthdays weren't a particularly big deal for most people. You were born, so what? Logically, Easter should be far more important. I'm not even Christian and I know THAT.

For whatever it's worth, the Puritans in the New England colonies made it illegal to celebrate Christmas,

Whoa...we are discussing current events...and a very real problem that exists today in Britain. (Of course your attempted derail did get me thinking of some of the barbarous behaviour of Atttila the Hun...and I believe some of the behaviour of the cavemen was pretty nasty...did you know the ancient Aztecs cut out the hearts of live persons to sacrifice...but, perhaps, it would be a more productive discussion if we decided to stay on topic-- what say ye trex-138069?

Logically, Easter should be far more important.

How about Passover...Jesus actually celebrated Passover...but his modern day minions couldn't even tell you what month it is in.

Easter is essentially Passover

Easter is linked to the Jewish Passover by much of its symbolism, as well as by its position in the calendar. In most European languages the feast called Easter in English is termed by the words for passover in those languages and in the older English versions of the Bible the term Easter was the term used to translate passover.

Pfft...

Don't you notice every christian holiday is either near a pagan or jewish holy day???

They co-opt pre-existing celebrations and then create their own. It makes it easier to convert people when they can still celebrate on the same days every year.

It's not a coincidence.

Jesus was Jewish, it makes perfect sense that Christians would re-purpose Jewish holidays.

Yeah, christians are good at that re-purposing thing.

They took my god and evolved him into a man, took my book and wrote part 2, took my holy days and turned them into commercialism.

Their whole religion is re-purposed and made palatable for the sheeple.

Yeah, christians are good at that re-purposing thing.

They took my god and evolved him into a man, took my book and wrote part 2, took my holy days and turned them into commercialism.

Their whole religion is re-purposed and made palatable for the sheeple.

Angry Left-532262-- how would you compare that to what other religions have done-- for example, Islam?

Angry Left-532262

Now now just because Judaism is the oldest of the Abrahamic religions makes it...outside of the oldest, what?

The best? The most right?

There are people who have taken the spirit of your #8.13 and have turned that sentiment into a crusade for their religion.

"They took mah book...they took mah holy days...and then...then...then...they took mah GOD!!!!"

Join me, fellow faithful! Arise! To arms! To arms! Let us take back BY FORCE that which was ours!"

And so on.

Personally, I have been attacked (physically) by "good god fearing southern christian white folks". I grew up with the klan (another christian group) marching in my town preaching the death and destruction of me and my people.

Now, I have many muslim friends. They have done nothing but welcome me with open arms and treat me like family. When introduced they refer to me as "cousin".

To paraphrase Muhammad Ali;

No muslim has attacked me, or spit on me, called me kike, hebe, pinch dick or jesus killer.

To paraphrase Muhammad Ali;

No muslim has attacked me, or spit on me, called me kike, hebe, pinch dick or jesus killer.

And billions of white people haven't either, but that never matters to you Angry Left. Holding on to anger is who you have become.

Where I grew up we had a huge influx of secular Muslim professionals in the late 60s and 70s. No one even gave a second thought as to their religion- most were doctors and engineers who were escaping the rising tide of fundamentalism in their home country.

Yet it frustrates me when I hear and read here for instance a myopic view that muslims are all the same. It's maddeningly stupid and ignorant.

How about Passover...Jesus actually celebrated Passover...but his modern day minions couldn't even tell you what month it is in

Probably because it isn't always in the same month (March or April) but it has an obvious connection with Easter and all my Christian friends are well aware of it. And what is your point, anyway? I'm a Jew, not a Christian. I'm only saying that Easter is fundamental to their religion, but Christmas is not, according to their own faith.

Jesus died because he intentionally got himself arrested on Passover, when he knew Jerusalem would be crawling with Roman soldiers who brooked no truck, because they were expecting trouble.

So what?

...Christmas is a holiday that is a lie. A lie you choose to believe but, a lie none the less.

Are holidays ever just about historical reality?

Apparently not.

I've got news for you.

...this should be good...

In those days, birthdays weren't a particularly big deal for most people.

Poor folks have little reason to celebrate.

You were born, so what?

I agree.

Logically, Easter should be far more important.

I've seen your attempt at logic and I remain unimpressed.

I'm not even Christian and I know THAT.

Uh huh.

I've seen your attempt at logic and I remain unimpressed.

Other than you, who cares what you think?

HAYTE! How you doin', you ol sinner! LOL!

Still watching. :)

Right you are. Jesus was born in the Springtime.

I don't hold that against him.

I wonder if it was done that way so that those who used to celebrate the winter solstice, or whatever it was, wouldn't do that AND the birth of Jesus.

Why would they celebrate the solstice AND the birth of a religious figure who isn't a part of their culture and they had no idea of, on a date that said figure wasn't even born?

I know why it was done...

Or maybe they were like the Jehovah's Witnesses; no birthdays, no holidays, no winter solstice....etc ad nauseum.

No, but I'll let you look into it. I'm interested to see what you will choose to believe...

Other than you, who cares what you think?

I offer your quote as proof that at least you do. :)

I offer your quote as proof that at least you do. :)

What an ego! But I like the smiley face at the end.

What an ego!

Judge not! Lest, ye be judged.

But I like the smiley face at the end.

Uh huh.

Judge not! Lest, ye be judged.

Are you one of those strange people who can't follow your own advice? I give you your judgemental comment as proof...

I've seen your attempt at logic and I remain unimpressed.

Are you one of those strange people who can't follow your own advice?

...MY advice? You don't even know who said that do you?

Being unimpressed by your logic is not a judgement. It is a result. Do you understand the difference?

Pass the popcorn...great ping pong match, guys!

...MY advice? You don't even know who said that do you?

And you're confused as well as judgemental! That's the Vine for you.

Pass the popcorn...great ping pong match, guys!

Haha! Good one demmy!

And you're confused as well as judgemental! That's the Vine for you.

Uh huh.

You are another lip service christian as well as illiterate.

You are another lip service christian as well as illiterate.

Uh huh. So now you're insulting to go along with confused and judgemental. Well that's no surprise.

Uh huh. So now you're insulting to go along with confused and judgemental. Well that's no surprise

Yet, worthy of comment.

Well, since the discussion is now about me and not the topic, I will take from that you have no actual stance on the origional post.

Thank you for your antagonistic replies and Happy Posting. :)

Thank you for your antagonistic replies and Happy Posting

haha! Yeah....you too.

Dr. Rex how dare you! Making little kids happy...what is the matter with you! You're giving the impression that it's all about the attitude of the heart, and not some legalistic prohibition! Keep up the good work!

The Christmas Season is celebrated once a year. I do not know that the Birth of Christ celebrated on this specific Day in December is somehow negated because someone discerned it was possible to a few months later? I do not know that Christ would take exception with his Church to His family showing their love on December 25 or in April or any other date.

I think that the Christmas and the message of God Incarnate is beautiful and to promote Peace on Earth and Goodwill Towards Men is a good message.

I do think that the consistent hatred for Christians should be acknowledged, a Mass was attacked and over 60 were killed.

Even if they do not believe that Jesus is the son of God that doesn't me we can't, and it also doesn't mean we can't celebrate his birth. If Christmas is evil then I have been evil every December since I was born, and I am spreading the evil to my kid....

Dear Levi, Therese, Darth, Steve, and All,

I always try to get to the "Heart" of the Matter. Happy Hannukha. Happy Eids. Blessed Solstice...and, of course, a very Merry Christmas. Whatever your motivating thoughts, if you make 'Peace On Earth' among other 'Men of Good Will', may you and your Families find Blessings of the Season.

'DeX', a SERIOUS Santa Wannabe!

...and to you as well, Dr. Rex. May the memories last forever, and may they be good.

Merry Christmas Dr. Rex!!

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. Yes, all Muslims are exactly like this group, just as all Christians are exactly like the Westboro Baptist Church, and are all enthusiastic supporters of the murder of Dr. Tiller.

trex

problem is westboro baptist church has how many members? 30 or 40 maybe? let say 100.

Radical islam with enthusiastic supporters of Murder of infidels, including gays, Christians, jews, women who dont obey shariah..etc..

has tens of thousands of followers if not millions of followers

comparing the two is rather simple minded.

Dear lovers of Peace & Sanity,

IF, indeed, the fanatics ARE a minority in every Religion, Ideology, of Philosophy, then it's time for those of us who are NOT, to reign in their activities. As a 'Believer' (I don't embrace the apellation:'Christian', as I don't follow 'Chris'...Hi-Ho!), I'm reminded of the FAD a few years back with all the WWJD jewelry.

Yah'shu'ah (Jesus for all of us unable to handle pronouncing the Aramaic original) wouldn't blow up clinics, didn't "out" sinners. When a women, caught in the act of adultery was brought to him, DESERVING of death per the Law, he simply requested that "he WITHOUT SIN" cast the first stone. No stones were cast and he sent the woman on her way without condemning her. He was also noted for providing resource and fixing bad situations.

Perhaps ALL of us, regardless of our basic belief system COULD emulate THAT. Note, you won't have to come to my church to do so-just loving others enough to care is sufficient. Besides, if what GOES around COMES around, this is the stuff we could all use more of...right?

Blessings on ALL of you at this Festive Season,

'DeX'

The author used the words "fanatics" and "Islamic" in the same sentence. Hey pal...take it easy with the synonyms already!

Wtf? Do you really beleive that the vast majority of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims are fanatics? Or are you just "playin' with us"?

(If they were all fanatics-- we would probably all be dead by now!!!)

Krishna

yes most of them are.

the way they tolerate, and endorse violence, terrorism, sexism, homophobia, etc makes them Fanatics.

if a WHITE MAN in the USA had the same beliefs reference women and gays..liberals would be calling him a lunatic..

But take those same beliefs attribute them to a brown person from another country ..all of a sudden those beliefs are to be respected.

from another country

You do realize that we can't do much about the laws or fanatics in another country....unless your a right winger and believe that we should just bomb the @!$%# out of them....otherwise, I am much more concerned about the fanatics here....WBC, Neo nazi's the Klan, Tea Partiers, confederates, that book burning @!$%# in Florida etc etc etc

TEa partiers are fanatics?

really?

being against wasteful govt spending and high taxes is FANATICAL?

Did Klansmen SENATOR ROBERTY BYRD bother you?

beause if you voted DEM you voted for a party that accepted and honored a KLANSMAN.

Do you reaize BILL CLINTON invaded and bombed more countries then Gw did?

Serbia, Sudan, afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti, all bombed or invaded by clinton with out a peep from Leftists..

Strom Thurmond?? David Duke were dems??

Angry left

THurmond started out a dem and swtiched parties but never was a Klan member.

SHeriff bull connor who set the dogs on the freedom marchers was a dem

Al gore father who was a segregationist and voted against civil rights laws...was a Dem

The KKK was the Militia of the DEM party who used to lynch Black s, republicans, jews and catholics..

David duke was never elected as a republican or even ran for office with the support of the GOP... nice try..

unlike ROBERY BYRD was elected as a KLANSMAN and supported for years by the DEM PARTY... a dem party that put him in leadership possession in the US SENATE.

to the point where BILL CLINTN made EXCUSES for BYRDS Klan Membership at Byrds funeral

Racist Gov of alabama George Wallace who tried to block blacks for entering public schools in Birmingham was a Dem

WHo do you think created and enforced jim crow laws and segregation for near 100 years? the DEM party..

So you think modern day neo nazis and klansmen vote democrat???

doubt they vote at all

BTW to your average Black person.... KKK and NEONAZIES are among the least of thier dangers or worries

Well as a jew they are my worst enemy.

might be your worsst but not the most realistic or likely.

Your much more likely to be victim or common street crime then you are a hate crime.

I was a victim of a hate crime.....I got attacked by a group of "good god fearing christian whites" for wearing a kippah in public. Then the local redneck sheriff told me to "Stop wearing that thing, people don't like it".

I've never been the victim of a street crime.

You do realize that we can't do much about the laws or fanatics in another country..

Here's one person that would disagree with you about that!

Angry left

so we has nation shouldnt care abou the rest of the world?

We should just try to un@!$%# our own country first.

I know righties and christians have a hard time comprehending the concept of cleaning up your own house first.

angry left

so we should never help anyone in the rest of the world untile the USA is perfect?

So you were against aid to haiti following the earthquack?

BTW how do you know the men who attacked you were christians?

you making lots of assumptions.

BTW how do you know the men who attacked you were christians?

Well, as you are so happy to point out...78.5% of America is christian so chances are pretty good.

Also I doubt an atheist would be screaming something about being a "jesus killer".

Well, as you are so happy to point out...78.5% of America is christian so chances are pretty good.

Shame on you for being so stereotypical and illogical. It's like saying, "I know the person who broke into my house was black, because blacks are disproportionately likely to rob houses." Stereotyping is just as bad when we minorities do it. Some people are simply opposed to anything "different" because they are jerks, but you just made a jerky remark yourself.

Black males are 6% of the general population and about 40% of the prison population.

Should I assume things about Black males based on this STATISTICAL reality?

Stereotyping is just as bad when we minorities do it. Some people are simply opposed to anything "different" because they are jerks, but you just made a jerky remark yourself.

A bigot is a bigot is a bigot-- regardless of what particular group they happen to belong to.

Black males are 6% of the general population and about 40% of the prison population.

...and most people in prison are christian as well.

http://www.skepticfiles.org/american/prison.htm

During 10 years in Sing-Sing, those executed for murder were 65% Catholics, 26% Protestants, 6% Hebrew, 2% Pagan, and less than 1/3 of 1% non-religious.

The Federal Bureau of Prisons does have statistics on religious affiliations of inmates. The following are total number of inmates per religion category: Response Number % ---------------------------- --------

Catholic 29267 39.164%

Protestant 26162 35.008%

Muslim 5435 7.273%

American Indian 2408 3.222%

Nation 1734 2.320%

Rasta 1485 1.987%

Jewish 1325 1.773%

Church of Christ 1303 1.744%

Pentecostal 1093 1.463%

Moorish 1066 1.426%

Buddhist 882 1.180%

Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%

Adventist 621 0.831%

Orthodox 375 0.502%

Mormon 298 0.399%

Scientology 190 0.254%

Atheist 156 0.209%

Hindu 119 0.159%

Santeria 117 0.157%

Sikh 14 0.019%

Bahai 9 0.012%

Krishna 7 0.009%

Jorge

What think you of Restorative Justice?

and last Ramadan, Muslims killed over 1,000 people worldwide. yeah, their holy days are waaay more sacred.

Dr. Rex...you evil bastard, dont you know making kids happy is the work of the devil!

Festivus for the rest of us. This year we will be adding a new event to Festivus, besides feats of strength and airing of grievances we will be playing pin the forked tail on Mohammad.

whatta expect when a recent survey indicated that 40% of Muslim students attending colleges in Britain have a desire to live under Islamic Law and over a third of them supported killing in the name of their religion. I think the number is higher actually but perhaps many of the students polled were mistakenly afraid that the authorities would look into their backgrounds or monitor them.

Can you blame them? Sharia law is a dream come true for men...you own women- if they upset you, you kill them.

Many muslim men are sexually frustrated, have no idea how to talk to women- so the western idea of equality of the sexes scares and overwhelms them. Sharia law sounds then like a great idea, and hey! It was the way things were done in all Islamic countries at one time.

The Nigerian man/boy underwear bomber expressed just such frustrations in correspondence just before he got on the plane in Amsterdam. 19 and never been laid- he couldn't stand it.

Osama Bin Laden's father travelled extensively for his construction business. He had a coterie of lawyers with him to take care of quickie marriages and divorces for women he wanted sleep with.

You see, he was being a good muslim all along by "marrying" them.

This is one of the reasons why Islam has been dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th and 21st centuries- the societal changes and shifts in the west are too much, so they call them evil.

Of course, Christian fundamentalists share many of the same reactionary views.

I'm sure there are a LOT of 19 year olds who have never been laid, given the fact that in some states, it is a felony to have sex with anyone under 18. And frankly I have not seen the dynamics you speak of with Christian fundamentalists. In fact there is a lot of data proving that such people have the best sex lives (not like I'd know since I'm not married to one, but it's a scientific fact that women enjoy sex better in committed relationships and if you're a fundie, that's the only kind you're allowed to have.)

it is a felony to have sex with anyone under 18

I thought it was only a felony if only one of the two was above 18? I thought all states had it as legal if both are under 18. I find it hard to imagine charging two 17 year olds with statutory rape for having consensual sex with each other.

OY,

I know plenty of people who had sex under 18...what are you talking about?

The information I presented stems from The Looming Tower by Lawrence Wright.

Half the world's population wouldn't be here if minor teenagers didn't have sex. No law is going to change that.

OY, I know plenty of people who had sex under 18...what are you talking about?

I most certainly had sex under 18, but then in Virginia it used to be legal when you were 14. And you are almost going out of my way to miss my point. You still have the "best" sex, from a scientific standpoint, with a person who is married to you and who will never leave you. That's who you would give everything for. Can't we at least admit this? Good liberals scream that gays must be allowed to marry, yet they make a joke about what marriage supposedly IS. So which is it? Is marriage a joke, or do gays have to be in on the joke, or what?

I don't see marriage as a joke, and I don't see the institution of marriage as a left-right issue. There is sex for sex's sake and there is the sexual act as a way of expressing one's love for another. We cannot at separate point's in our lives experience them both without thinking of sin and guilt?

Yes if you choose marriage then you also are choosing monogamy (or should be). But as to "the best" or "the most happy", nope- you say this to reinforce your views, beliefs and your current relationship standing.

A friend of mine (same age 49) told me 25 years ago he was never getting married because he enjoyed the pleasure of multiple partners. And while he's lived up to that statement, I can find no evidence that he's unhappy or tormented. He's retained his good looks and physique so he hasn't been compelled to slow down either. The fact that he's successful at business is interesting but not relevant to his sex life, as far as I can tell. A very nice guy who never gossips or speaks ill of others.

Getting a bit off the subject eh?

But as to "the best" or "the most happy", nope- you say this to reinforce your views, beliefs and your current relationship standing.

It's been proven by several studies. I'm not making this up; women generally report they have the best sex within a monogamous relationship. I guess many men are more turned on by a new person. Higamous, hogamous, and all that, but yes, I admit I'm gettting off topic.

What problems do the Seventh Day Adventists have with Christmas? Just curious...

"reasonably Islamophobic".....I love that line!

You know, all this Christian Christmas stuff with Rudolph and Frosty is about as Pagan as you can get without dancing naked in the moonlight.

Hey,

Dancing naked in the moonlight is pretty good; so far Jesus hasn't smote me for it yet!

Not at this time of year, I hope! You might freeze off a few body parts, and that would be pretty counterproductive for a fertility dance.

Fertility dances occur in the spring time, the spring equinox generally or close to it, not at winter solstice.

You know, all this Christian Christmas stuff with Rudolph and Frosty is about as Pagan as you can get without dancing naked in the moonlight.

Yes, but then it isn't illegal to dance naked in the moonlight either unless you do it in public. I once had both a pagan and two Muslims living in my house simultaneously, but THEY all got along. There is nothing in Islam that REQUIRES you to be intolerant of others since after all the Prophet, PBUH, said there is no compulsion in religion. There are just a bunch of confused Muslims out there.

our soles weigh exactly 21 grams. (every 1)

Would that be on tennis shoes, loafers, wingtips or cowboy boots? :-)

where do our soles go after here?

For a walk of course.

Cannibalism on the mind ay? interesting,

Carolyn-1144975

Yep, this is only the beginning of their completely insane actions around the world. They want to conquer the world, people. They want to enslave or kill anyone that does not believe as they do, period.

Using the same methods as their rivals have for the past 500 years.

Hello Ivanho! I wish you well, and a peaceful time, good food, and plenty of happiness! Peace to you, and to your family!

I feel sorry for these people, spewing hate.

No, there are Christians and Christian extremists...and then there are only Muslim extremists.

Enter the extreme hyperbolic rhetoric. Thank you for proving my point.

By virtue of their doctrine, you cannot separate the Muslim from the extremist. But this is a subjective interpretation and opinion only, as is an individual's version of hyperbole . If you do not gleen the same indicators of extremism from their text as I do, then we would call that a disagreement, and no self-fulfilling false grandiosity attained by "proving a point" would need be pursued.

Bdobb,

Very well said! However, your premise seems flawed. You would seem to tie Islamic extremism to the overall doctrine of Islam. But in doing, you assume they all read both the Quran and all Hadiffs in equal weight, which is obviously not true. No significant sect of Islam is Quran only. And since the doctrine of Islam is split, with different sects putting far more value on differentHadiffs, your statement is highly flawed in it's substance.

But I suppose you are condemning them only on the text of the Quran. In that case, how is it you feel that the writing of the Quran is more fanatical than the writings of the Bible? I can match any quote from the Quran advocating violence with a quote from the Bible showing that God favors those that perform violence. Does that mean there is no such thing as Christian moderates? Every denomination of Christianity uses the same source book, so if it is based on doctrine in the same manner that you attack Islam, then all the denominations are the same and there is no Christian extremism. Thus the local church is no better than the murdering Christians in Africa, for it is based off of the same text.

So it seems you are stuck between hyperbolic rhetoric, hypocrisy, or denunciation.

dakaiser11,

Better said! You made my head hurt...I relent...But I'll continue to fear them, even if simply based upon the preponderance of their malevolent actions by many and the failure to publicly denounce such behavior by the others.

Bdobb

No, there are Christians and Christian extremists...and then there are only Muslim extremists.

So, Kareem Adul Jabbar of the Los Angeles Lakers was a Muslim extremist? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

I'm tell ya, man....this idea granting of religious freedom to human beings was as much of a mistake as was the Volstead Act.

Metal Guitarist,

Kareem and Ali...great American icons and atheletes. I'm certain there were dissenters in the Nazi party as well, but as in my #20.5, I feel that the actions of a particular group as a single entity may, as bad as it sound, warrant complete condemnation and even bigotry...depending on how their behavior is recognized by the masses. And I wouldn't label it irrational fear either...more like being in a rational defensive posture, or even rational vigilance. I'm not going trust a swarm of Africanized bees because a few might be drones. There is a reason for all this negative attention toward the Muslims and Islam. I think it is rediculous to think that so many of our American public suddenly and arbitrarily focused hate and fear toward this group for no credible reason whatsoever. I tend to give them more credit than that. I have absolutely no religious affiliations, so I have no bias to distort allegiance between one religion and another.

then there are only Muslim extremists.

Your comment reminded me of this video I seeded a while back. Please watch it-- and especially notice the attitudes expressed by the Muslims in the video. (About half the people in the video are Muslims..the other half mainly Jews)

krishna,

Understood, krishna. Too bad the adults busy bombing one another outside the school don't come in and share the "hand in hand" project with the kids. It would be nice to know how well these children will share this philosophy once they become adults.

Might as well throw in cannibalism, just to be safe.

Might as well throw in cannibalism, just to be safe.

And how about blasphhemy?

That's always good for a chuckle-- why not include that as well? :-)

Well... If it was in the U.S., then yes, it should be allowed. First Amendment and all that? Its why people like Fred Phelps and the rest of the WBC arent in jail/horribly maimed by now.

But of course, this article is talking about something in the U.K. Which you seem to have missed.

And I have never heard a complaint of discrimination because Sharia Law isnt practiced, which is the way it should be. We have separation of Church and State for a reason.

They use the ACLU to make the PUBLIC pay for their separate prayer rooms with footbaths in airports and universities

Yeah, and those Universities also mostly have chapels and prayer rooms. Are you mad that tax dollars went to those structures?

I am sure there are Liberals somewhere who think this should be allowed.

So you're basically conceding that respect for freedom of speech is a liberal value?

Mikea what State funded universitieshave tax payer paid for Chapels?

many have CHapels and Prayers rooms funded by PRIVATE GROUPS available to students but Id dont think any have tax payer paid for chapels.

We may be seeing it in the future...

Tell me again what God would want with real estate like the Middle East? Maybe He has a dune buggy, or something. I don't know.

MG,

The concept of a single deity arose from the Jews- as to the when there are many and conflicting sources- as the the where, It was more than likely the eastern portion of the Inland Sea or Mediterranean.

That is if you discount Brahma.

It had nothing to do with the quality of the land, although you should know that in ancient times the area was had little desertification .

The concept of a single deity arose from the Jews-

Actually the Nation of Israel (THE JEWS) came about as the direct RESULT of the single diety. The single diety concept was way before the Jews.

Actually the Nation of Israel (THE JEWS) came about as the direct RESULT of the single diety. The single diety concept was way before the Jews.

That theory is interesting. Could you elaborate on it please? (Although it is somewhat off topic, is it not?)

That theory is interesting. Could you elaborate on it please? (Although it is somewhat off topic, is it not?)

Just a couple things:

First, i'ts not a theory it's an historical fact.

Second, I wouldn't mind at all elaborating if in fact I honestly believed it would create discussion instead of argumentative attacks.

Finally, it's not off topic because it's a reply to another viner's comment, to wit:

The concept of a single deity arose from the Jews- as to the when there are many and conflicting sources #23.3

Second, I wouldn't mind at all elaborating if in fact I honestly believed it would create discussion instead of argumentative attacks.

Frankly, I resent that comment. I thought I was quite courteous in my inquiry - obviously you're the one with a chip on your shoulder. Never mind, I'll research it myself.

Maybe He has a dune buggy, or something. I don't know.

Haven't you ever heard of God's Fiat?

What most of today's Christians don't know is that most Christians once opposed the celebration of X-mas.

Wanna know where santa fits in Holy Warrior?

jingle a couple of letters around in the word .. santa.