The hypocrisy of Michael Moore :: Jeffrey T. Kuhner

"Pets or Meat"

lastone - EXACTLY!!!! You pinned it on the nosey!

For those that stumble across this seed (and have never seen Roger and ME) some background. That film is about the people in Flint, MI and most have fallen on hard times due to plant shut downs and other various reasons.

"Pets or Meat" is a portion of a sign in one such woman's yard. It was in reference to rabbits that she raised. She bred them and then sold them to be eaten or for pets. She was presented in a very unflattering light and very much as a hillbilly, for lack of a better word.

There was a scene my eighth grade class was shown from the fictional movie What's Eating Gilbert Grape . It started as the morbidly obese mother in the movie enters a car and it dips dramatically to one side. Being eight graders everyone laughed. The next segment was in a doctor's office and was rather stirring. The end of the clip once again showed the car with the dramatic tilt. The room was silent.

I bring this up because in Roger and Me the direction never allowed the audience to sympathize with this real person. She was simply the butt of Mr. Moore's bad joke.

He's a greedy con artist who got rich telling the liberals what they want to hear by twisting the truth into something so far away from reality that it's pathetic.

Roger & Me was about how the decline of the auto industry had affected his home town of Flint, MI. It put the magnifying glass on the executives responsible and their lack of guts in facing the employees they had laid off. Look around Detroit now. That was a story that needed telling.

might have needed telling, douglasq, but certainly NOT in the manner he did it. If you want responsible and respectable reflection on what happened and why, the way to go about it is NOT by humiliating the very people who were adversely affected by it. ESPECIALLY when he made millions off of their humiliation. I can't respect that

the way to go about it is NOT by humiliating the very people who were adversely affected by it.

How do you think they were humiliated? Do you not think that working at a job your whole life only to be shown the door for your efforts was humiliating? But that wasn't Moore's doing.

Did you see Roger & Me? He portrayed those people as morons and idiots - he made them laughingstocks. Don't you think they had been through enough?

Yes, I saw it. But I didn't, apparently, get out of it what you did. Sorry you saw those who had been thrown to the curb as morons and idiots.

I only saw what MM filmed.

Do you think that making everyday auto workers who had been screwed by their management look like morons and idiots might have been slightly counter the the message you all think he was trying to send? That capitalism and profit motives are inherently bad. I think that would have undermined that alleged message. That would have shot his own movie in the foot. So, why would he do that?

You can embrace capitalism without being an Ayn Rand disciple. Conversely, you can promote the general welfare without everyone donning Mao jackets and marching in lockstep. His films usually talk about capitalism run amok. And it certainly has the potential to run amok.

please stop with the Ayn Rand crap. I have NEVER read anything written by Rand.

I am talking MOST SPECIFICALLY about the woman who was trying to keep her family fed by raising and selling rabbits. She was doing exactly what she had to do and MM make a laughingstock out of her with his questions. AND he did it in an international forum - he didn't just give her a pink slip

Pull it down because it doesn't rise to YOUR standards of "ZERO back up?" Perhaps you haven't seen any of MM's "Documentaries". Talk about ZERO back up!

As stated above, I'm not a fan of MM, and I am definitely a fan of crap reporting.

Every one of the links in the article just brought me back to the WT. So where's the proof that he owns Halliburton and various Big Pharma stocks? Or any of the assertions.

The entire basis for this article is that he's seeking damages for "F911" in an LA court. That is true. After that we're told "how hypocritical" blah blah blah, and then a bunch of claims, NONE OF WHICH HAS ANY BACK UP.

But for the Fox News, Washington Times, etc. crowd, where they take misinformation seriously- that's par for the course.

Moore would attack an Executive of a company who made 20 million then when he left sued for another 2 million

thats the point

demmy,

I was intriuged by this statement, as I've often heard MM say that he doesn't invest in the stock market.

The most interesting thing I found in CNBC's 6-minute interview yesterday with film-maker Michael Moore was the last question on how he invests his own money and whether he had changed his strategy since doing the research on his new film, Capitalism: a Love Story.

Moore cautioned viewers that he didn't want to get them nauseous, but said "I have my money in a savings account and a few savings bonds. I don't own a single share of stock."

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/wealthyboomer/archive/2009/09/29/michael-moore-quot-i-don-t-own-a-single-share-of-stock-quot.aspx

It appears that the source of this claim about Halliburton stocks comes from a book written by a man named Schweizer in 2006. He claims to have seen MM's IRS returns. Interesting - IRS info is not in the public domain. How did Schweizer get them?

http://www.rense.com/general69/DENIAL.HTM

It was initially reported in NewsMax.

Rob,

'Calling it like I see it'? Wow. Just wow.

Pull it down because it doesn't rise to YOUR standards of "ZERO back up?" Perhaps you haven't seen any of MM's "Documentaries". Talk about ZERO back up!

Are you disputing anything in particular in a MM doc?

Moore would attack an Executive of a company who made 20 million then when he left sued for another 2 million

Moore didn't attack him for making money. He attacked him for taking multi-million dollar bonuses while the company was losing money and they were undergoing massive lay-offs. You guys seem to think he is anti-capitalism when he's really anti-dickhead CEO's who are not earning their pay.

P-r,

Good research. Thanks for bringing some sanity into this ridiculous seed. This is merely an incendiary article (and seed) just to bash Moore- some of which, as I've said, he deserves.

Your welcome, demmy.

I just don't get why people who use the computer are so reluctant to use 'The Google'. It really does come in handy.

I wonder who made more untrue claims...Michael Moore, or his critics.

What to shut up a Moore hater?
"His movies are nothing but lies and propaganda."

oh yeah, what part?

The looks you'll get

Funkpocket

the part where in Fareiheit 911 he claimed GW lied about WMD..

how about that part?

the part where in Fareiheit 911 he claimed GW lied about WMD..

Dubya DID lie about WMD. So did Cheney. So did Rumsfield. So did Tenent. So did Wolfewitz and Feith. And at their bidding, so did Powell.

The only time Dubya didn't lie about WMD was when he accurately deduced that they were not hidden beneath his chair in the Oval Office.

Doug

nope GW was wrong

there is morale and ethical difference between LYING and being wrong.

Lying would mean GW "knew" no wmd in iraq no evidence he did

Jorge I believe you're right.

And this is where MM's methods fall apart. When he says "Bush lied" without producing a smoking gun that unequivocally shows that GWB absolutely knew contrary to what was being whispered in his ear, it badly taints the film.

When one takes on corporations or government, it's imperative that what is being presented does not contain hyperbole or its own mistruths. F911 could have been a great film if Moore's prejudices were left at the door.

Bowling For Columbine was one of his successes imo.

not always completly accurate

"Michael Moore on sacred ground he treaded it,
Said “I’ll expose the whole truth just as soon as I edit it”."

Colin Quinn

There seems to be enough truth to bring out the right wing army to silence him. He provokes thought and is not controlled by huge corporate agendas.

damn right

I've been noticing that not one of you has posted any proof that Michael Moore's documentaries are untrue. It's the same old tactic of the bad guys. You can't fight the facts so you try to kill the messenger.

I just want you to deny one fact: Did Bush sit in front of those school children for seven minutes with a frightened dumbfounded expression on his face and do absolutely nothing after being told of the attack on 9-11 or didn't he?

One more fact: Does everybody in England and in Cuba have health care while 35-50 million of us do not or don't they?

One more fact: Do we spend a higher percent of our gross national product on health care than any other nation while we get worse outcomes than many other nations or don't we?

When it comes down to refuting what Moore's documentaries prove, you die hard conservative propagandists have got nothing.

Jorge, do you have links to back up ANY of your comments?

I wish everyone who sends their kids to rich private schools can still understand how important public school are.

Dem scout

In Bowling for Columbine "documentary" about guns in the uSA

Moore mocked Bank that gave away hunting rifle if certain type of account was opened

In the movie Moore opened the account and walked out with rifle.

In actuality bank would provide gift certifcate to person who then went to store in to get rifle.

Rifle was given only after all laws were followed and comlpied with.

Moore made it seem like rifle was given out at bank...

Accordin to employees of the bank Morre spent several days staging the scene.

So not only did he not portray the Banks gun away accuratley he staged the scene.

Moore mocked Bank that gave away hunting rifle if certain type of account was opened

In the movie Moore opened the account and walked out with rifle.

In actuality bank would provide gift certifcate to person who then went to store in to get rifle.

Rifle was given only after all laws were followed and comlpied with.

Moore made it seem like rifle was given out at bank...

Accordin to employees of the bank Morre spent several days staging the scene.

So not only did he not portray the Banks gun away accuratley he staged the scene.

Source?

Watch the movie..

and reserch accuracy of Moores movies

lots of website have exposed his "documentaries"

I was suspicious of that scene when I saw it.

Here again Moore would've been fine just telling the truth.

and then demonize the system

So you are of the opinion that there is nothing for which the "system" deserves to be demonized? Capitalism in this country is shiny, pure and moral?

Capitalism is all that only when it's a lib benefiting.

Is it the money or attention that drives conservatives crazy.

If Rush, Beck, and Hannity exposed; Corporate Greed, Gun Laws, Unguarded Nukes in Russia, THE LIE THAT IS KILLING OUR CHILDREN, getting health care to the most needy, and The Greatest Bank Robbery in History.

I might support them too.

Funkpocket

what drive conservative is Libs like you talk about "greatest bank robbery in history"

but dont talk about

1. Clinton deregulated banks in 1999

2. When GOP senators like Mcain warned about Fannie ANd Freddie exposing tax payers to great risk in 2006 and 2007...... they were called Racist by libs like Barney Frank.

O.K. Jorge I'll bite,

Clinton caused the financial crisis.

But Moore Stillexposed it. Not in a headline, movie or book...rather, a full length, non-fiction documentary film.

On a side note, if you remember in the film (watching it, would be required for this particular memory), Chris Dodd (Dem. Conn.) is presented as one of the main villians of the meltdown.

Moore will take down your carrier Republican or Democrat.

No only the libs want the right to tell people how much they can make.That is only if they're rich liberals.If they're rich they tell you how much you have to re-distribute,just not their money.

I give him MY money because I know one of these days, he'll go after the media. ohhh and he'll do it well!

Yes.

Newspaper is a total rag. It's not taken seriously in D.C.

gives a nice opportunity to talk about Mike : )

Oh so you only have problems with rich conservatives. Yea only the libs should be rich. Keep up the re-distribution agenda and even the libs will be broke.

Oh so you only have problems with rich conservatives. Yea only the libs should be rich. Keep up the re-distribution agenda and even the libs will be broke.

My god. You were captain of the debate team, weren't you?